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Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by ROTMetro »

theironhammer wrote: post #42
nostrademons wrote: post #2

So deciphering the double-speak: Russia is instituting a draft, they consider Crimea part of Russia's territorial integrity, efforts to dehumanize the opposition or paint it as a shadowy international conspiracy continue, and they're threatening nuclear war. Get ready for WW3.

The Nuclear War threat is not a joke. Just imagine if China or Russia had the same activities in Mexico or Canada that the USA/NATO has had in the Ukraine over many years. How would Washington react?

Putin can't even elevate to full out war and conscription, yet you think he will jump all the way to using nuclear weapons? The threat is completely hollow.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by ROTMetro »

kranke155 wrote: post #41

Is this even appropriate for HN? Is this related to tech somehow? Seems having this sort of post here, all it does is bring out Reddit level bad takes.

Funny that in all criticism of Russia on HK, every opposing post has to include reference to Reddit. You are not going to manipulate people so easily. 'Oh man, come on guys, you're sharing positions with those simple minded Reddit posters'.

How about you just make an argument on it's merits, instead of injecting your own bad take?

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by ROTMetro »

theironhammer wrote: post #43
kranke155 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a nonsense commment. Are you trying to say Biden saying something puts Putin is some kind of impossible position? This is an imperialist war of choice.

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John Meersheimer's thesis is based on Meersheimer's belief that 'Putin never lied prior to the way war not way'. Not really stable foundation to build his thesis on.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by theironhammer »

iostream25 wrote: post #4

My general sense is that not even Putin believes his own rhetoric, such is his inconsistency of thought. The reality is that Putin has elected to invade a sovereign neighbor country and can unelect to do so. Not one "western" leader, military or civilian, has threatened Russia "existentially" and certainly no one has threatened to invade Russia. Putin is a liar, to put it simply. He's apparently playing the crazy-car…

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Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

ajl666 wrote: post #29

It's sad to see how easily westerners are mislead by our own leaders, who ape Soviet contempt for constituents and maliciously ignore voter inputs. You should at least make an effort to see things from the Russian point of view. To say there's nothing valid in the Russian state's actions, is really idiotic. 1) Are post WW2 borders sacred? 2) The dissolution of the USSR was chaotic, unnegotiated, and basically due to…

Confused. post-WW2 borders are not sacred, but 400yo events are...the history of something is more important than the current reality...an independent self-governing Ukraine means less than 'who gave it to whom'. This is mostly political doublespeak rationalization.

Reality: in this day and age it's not OK to begin bombing your neighbors for any reason. Never mind blamethrowing, equating old treaties to bombing, and appeals to good ol-fashion murder.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by calmdownpeople »

ajl666 wrote: post #29

It's sad to see how easily westerners are mislead by our own leaders, who ape Soviet contempt for constituents and maliciously ignore voter inputs. You should at least make an effort to see things from the Russian point of view. To say there's nothing valid in the Russian state's actions, is really idiotic. 1) Are post WW2 borders sacred? 2) The dissolution of the USSR was chaotic, unnegotiated, and basically due to…

Are post WW2 borders sacred? Is Crimea, transferred by Soviet Russia to the Ukraine in 1954, sacred? It's called international law. Yes it should be sacred. Nothing you say justifies by any means Putin's aggression and war crimes. Putin is a thug. He is a mob boss. Ukraine will join the EU. Ukraine will join NATA. Ukraine's economy and culture will flourish while Russia will be a pariah until Putin dies of old age and a respectable and honourable leader takes his place.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

kranke155 wrote: post #37
nayroclade wrote: post #18

Apparently, the size of the mobilisation will be 300k people, so this isn't going to be an overwhelmingly large force. The speculation I've seen is that this move is about 1) stopping the attrition of professional soldiers as their contracts expire and 2) providing manpower in logistics and controlling the occupied areas, so as to allow more rest and rotation of front-line soldiers.

They invaded with less than 300k. It is doubtful that Ukraine has a similar number of professional soldiers (excluding Territorial Defence ). It’s possible that this will give them an overwhelming force.

Ukraine didn't have 300k when Russia invaded. They may have more now. Anyone have data?

And, 300k without artillery, tanks, air support, and logistics isn't an overwhelming force. Does Russia have the rest of what it takes to make them an effective force?

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by generj »

diimdeep wrote: post #58

Can anyone clarify something that I have recently heard in interview (Russian language)[1]: that U.S. citizens believe that U.S. defeated Nazis and won WW2, and not USSR. Is this in your experience is mostly true or false ? [1] https://youtu.be/Q0oRii7zV9A?t=1973

The broadly accepted view is that the USSR won their front of the war using American supplies and Russian blood. And that the western fronts would have been far worse except for the Eastern front bleeding Germany dry.

The US won against Japan essentially without help from the USSR.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by choko »

theironhammer wrote: post #43
kranke155 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a nonsense commment. Are you trying to say Biden saying something puts Putin is some kind of impossible position? This is an imperialist war of choice.

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There is propaganda abounds from both sides, but I have yet to hear a solid moral justification for Russia's invasion of a sovereign nation.
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