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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by OJFord »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #14
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #4

Partial... impartial... There is no such thing as "partial mobilization". There is a law on mobilization, but who cares about laws there days in Russia. The main objective of this mobilization is to call up to 5mln conscripts in the army. This morning, people already started to receive summons in person.

Partial is the opposite of complete here not of impartial. It’s the adjectival form of the noun part . I am not sure if you were making a joke or actually misunderstood.

I think GP means that you either mobilise or you don't, which I can sort of get on board with, but if you say 'part of the army is mobilised' and then 'the army is partially mobilised' it seems fairly natural, even if it perhaps doesn't strictly make sense.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by checkyoursudo »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #41
saiya-jin wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will call them later. 300,000 noobs with minimal training, physique, crappy equipment, low morale and useless aparatchik leaders will be sent to meat grinder of eastern Ukraine. "Nas mnogo" strategy barely worked in WWII, with modern warfare (and continuing western aid) they won't make that much difference. High tech equipment in good numbers is what decides outcomes these days when armies clash. Plus Ukraine ca…

It’s more a political signal sent to the west. Russia was designing the war in Ukraine as a special operation. That put some limits on what they could officially do. With the referendum in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russia is reframing the conflict as happening on Russian soil. That allows them to declare it a war and open the door to nuclear retaliation. Mobilising and calling it a proxy war play with this line. It’s basi…

> It’s basically Russia telling the west they are serious about escalating if they keep pushing.

I think that's the message Russia believes it is conveying. The information I think they are really signaling (outside of the rhetoric), and what I suspect Nato sees, is that Russia is conceding that it cannot win and hoping its bluff will freeze the conflict, which I don't think it will do.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by BaculumMeumEst »

TheWoodsy wrote: post #12

Their main propaganda news channel has already said (incorrectly) that they are already fighting NATO and US troops in the breakaway areas. Is it time to make this a reality? I really don't see it ending without it happening. russia has shown that it has no regard for the suffering of any troops of any nationality. So purely from a population perspective, Ukraine will fail eventually unless they can effectively force…

> Is it time to make this a reality?

Nobody is going to directly engage a global nuclear superpower in armed conflict unless they are literally being invaded.

> purely from a population perspective, Ukraine will fail eventually unless they can effectively force-multiply like we've never seen in any other armed conflict.

Successful invasions and occupations are not decided "purely from a population perspective".

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by koonsolo »

the_gipsy wrote: post #42
_ph_ wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Ukraine can do it, if it gets supplied with the weapons to do it. Even with the weapons they got so far, they managed to hurt the Russian military a lot - hence the mobilization. They got some very powerful weapons, but still limited in number and choice. Just delivering long-range ammunition for HIMARS in large numbers might be enough to break any Russian offensive as all supply and all fixed positions were easy…

Doesn't Ukraine have a lot more to lose over time? Russia can just flatten the terrain, or ultimately nuke. The reverse isn't possible.

> Doesn't Ukraine have a lot more to lose over time?

It seems most Ukrainians agree that the worst would be to live under Russian dictatorship. Maybe they have experience in this area.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by _V_ »

the_gipsy wrote: post #42
_ph_ wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Ukraine can do it, if it gets supplied with the weapons to do it. Even with the weapons they got so far, they managed to hurt the Russian military a lot - hence the mobilization. They got some very powerful weapons, but still limited in number and choice. Just delivering long-range ammunition for HIMARS in large numbers might be enough to break any Russian offensive as all supply and all fixed positions were easy…

Doesn't Ukraine have a lot more to lose over time? Russia can just flatten the terrain, or ultimately nuke. The reverse isn't possible.

UA fights for its national identitiy - they ultimately have everything to lose.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by orwin »

ralphhughes wrote: post #27
TheWoodsy wrote: post #12

Their main propaganda news channel has already said (incorrectly) that they are already fighting NATO and US troops in the breakaway areas. Is it time to make this a reality? I really don't see it ending without it happening. russia has shown that it has no regard for the suffering of any troops of any nationality. So purely from a population perspective, Ukraine will fail eventually unless they can effectively force…

>Their main propaganda news channel has already said (incorrectly) that they are already fighting NATO and US troops in the breakaway areas. Thats interesting, I'm not doubting you but I would like to see the original source if possible, got a link?

Stratpol vidéos in France are entertaining, but you can find on Twitter Russian media pundits talking about 'Nato army' and stuff . Some ironically (hopefully he won't fall off his window).

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by audessuscest »

_V_ wrote: post #17
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #4

Partial... impartial... There is no such thing as "partial mobilization". There is a law on mobilization, but who cares about laws there days in Russia. The main objective of this mobilization is to call up to 5mln conscripts in the army. This morning, people already started to receive summons in person.

> This morning, people already started to receive summons in person. Wow... That's actually quite terrifying how fast these things can go south.

these people are reservist. They knew and already accepted that this could happen

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by skc »

Is there any scenario from this point onwards, any at all that results in Russia coming out stronger once the smoke clears?

Because I can't see any.

Seems to me like the Russian govt are now in a situation where they have no choice but to see this thing through just to try and save face.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by shusaku »

rozab wrote: post #34
globalise83 wrote: post #24

Personally I believe that NATO should occupy the whole of Western Ukraine up to about 100km from the frontline, with a clear warning that any direct fire on NATO troops will result in retaliation. This will free up the Ukrainians to fight Russia on the frontline without worries about Belarus etc.

do you know what occupy means

I swear some people think real wars work just like risk and all you have to do is stuck your soldiers on a country tile to improve their defense.
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