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Re: X-Plane 12 Early Access

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Post by eikenberry »

eikenberry wrote: post #50
WhipeeDip wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want both a stick and throttle for under $200, you'll likely want the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS (~$150). If you're willing to add another ~$150 to the budget, I highly recommend the VKB Gladiator NXT EVO with the SCG Premium grip (~$210 with US shipping) and picking up the Thrustmaster TWCS throttle alone (~$130). Either way, the Thrustmaster TWCS throttle does have some stiction and you might want to clean it…

If you're a light player an T.16000m will work but they all die with hardware issues at some point. The matching TWCS throttle has similar issues. I'm a heavy space sim player and went through 2 T16000Ms and 3 TWCSs before switching fully over to VKB sticks. VKB sticks last longer (no issues after 2+ years heavy use), are repairable and VKB will sell you parts. Much nicer if you can afford it. Take a look at their yo…

Forgot a link to VKB's site. :P

https://vkbcontrollers.com/

Re: X-Plane 12 Early Access

#53

Post by TheRealPomax »

clumsysmurf wrote: post #5

I've never used X-Plane or Microsoft Flight Simulator. Can anyone recommend a good $200 (or less) joystick?

an xbox controller, until you've actually messed around in them and have a feel for what you want to fly, because that's going to determine what controller you want more than anything else.

Re: X-Plane 12 Early Access

#54

Post by daviding »

codingpanic wrote: post #52

Excellent! Cant wait to see what the performance is on M1 Max. Just purchased and they sent me two keys... opened a ticket to let them know.

During the early access / beta period one of the keys might be for X-Plane 11. I think that's the deal.

Re: X-Plane 12 Early Access

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Post by abrax3141 »

HeavenFox wrote: post #38
clumsysmurf wrote: post #5

I've never used X-Plane or Microsoft Flight Simulator. Can anyone recommend a good $200 (or less) joystick?

It kinda depends on what kind of aircraft you want to fly. Thrustmaster t16000m is more geared towards military aircrafts. If you want to fly Airbus, TCA Officer Pack Airbus Edition (which under the hood is the t16000m) is very good and works well with FS2020's Airbus A320 (even better with the free FlyByWire A320 mod) If you want to fly general aviation aircrafts, the Logitech Yoke is pretty good. The Honeycomb Avia…

I fly gliders and helis (for which, btw, x-plane is excellent), and none of the sticks I’ve tried feel right for these, neither of which have center return springiness. I’ve tried to clip the springs off of various sticks but just ended up breaking them. Any advice for a stick that doesn’t have center return dynamics?

Re: X-Plane 12 Early Access

#56

Post by codingpanic »

daviding wrote: post #54
codingpanic wrote: post #52

Excellent! Cant wait to see what the performance is on M1 Max. Just purchased and they sent me two keys... opened a ticket to let them know.

During the early access / beta period one of the keys might be for X-Plane 11. I think that's the deal.

I would have thought the second email would have stated "Xplane 11 key"?

Both say 12.

Re: X-Plane 12 Early Access

#57

Post by meheleventyone »

dwringer wrote: post #35
mdip wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, thanks for the info -- you answered my question, too. :) > VR is in my opinion absolutely groundbreaking in flight simulation. I completely agree. I'm not a pilot nor interested in becoming one. My Dad owned his company and flew a plane for work[0]. He used the 1980s version of Flight Simulator to get licensed for IFR flying. I was impressed with the latest, but if there ever was a use for VR, it's this. You'v…

Have you tried something like a TrackIR? It gives you the ability to do what you describe in a cockpit, as well as using your head to fix your eyes on a point of the horizon/landscape/object during maneuvers. I haven't tried a flight simulator with a VR headset, but TrackIR increases immersion so much that I never felt like I was missing the experience. Admittedly it can take some tweaking to get the response curves…

TrackIR doesn’t really compare. I went from TrackIR to VR for multiplayer IL2 and the difference is stratospheric in terms of actually feeling “in” the aircraft. It also significantly improved my gunnery.

Re: X-Plane 12 Early Access

#58

Post by TheRealPomax »

eikenberry wrote: post #50
WhipeeDip wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want both a stick and throttle for under $200, you'll likely want the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS (~$150). If you're willing to add another ~$150 to the budget, I highly recommend the VKB Gladiator NXT EVO with the SCG Premium grip (~$210 with US shipping) and picking up the Thrustmaster TWCS throttle alone (~$130). Either way, the Thrustmaster TWCS throttle does have some stiction and you might want to clean it…

If you're a light player an T.16000m will work but they all die with hardware issues at some point. The matching TWCS throttle has similar issues. I'm a heavy space sim player and went through 2 T16000Ms and 3 TWCSs before switching fully over to VKB sticks. VKB sticks last longer (no issues after 2+ years heavy use), are repairable and VKB will sell you parts. Much nicer if you can afford it. Take a look at their yo…

Just a VKB stick isn't actually as functional as a cheaper T16000M HOTAS with separate stick and throttle quadrant, so I'm not sure I'd recommend VKB unless you're getting the rest as well.

A VKB setup is about $800 (dual THQ+SEM+FSM+stick+rudders) so... don't look at VKB until you've flown with a <$200 HOTAS for a while and actually know what you enjoy flying (and whether that kind of flying even justifies buying into the whole "real controller" thing =)

Re: X-Plane 12 Early Access

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Post by abrax3141 »

clumsysmurf wrote: post #5

I've never used X-Plane or Microsoft Flight Simulator. Can anyone recommend a good $200 (or less) joystick?

BTW, both FS and xP are excellent. I use them both in various setting - mostly w/gliders and helis. xP (at least 11) is way slower to boot and a bit harder to use. For casual flight, FS is my go to. BTW, I use them both on a Rift, and they are both very good. (I actually would use FS more, because of the boot time, but the thermal sim in FS is way too weak, so it’s too hard to climb a glider. FS is actually a bit more realistic this way, but giving up a little realism for the ability to get to thermal more easily and to a higher altitude is with it. If I need to be scratching around for lift I wouldn’t be flying that day!)
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