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Air pollution cancer breakthrough will rewrite the rules

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Re: Air pollution cancer breakthrough will rewrite the rules

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> 99% of people in the world live in places where air pollution exceeds the WHO guidelines Wow. I knew cities are polluted but this is extreme. In 50 years we might look at pollution as we look at smoking now, a terrible self-inflicted wound on civilization that took way too long to acknowledge and fix.

Don't forget the fraud of the whole Dieselgate scandal. We were all getting excess NO2 pumped out of diesel engines. Effectively shortening all our lifespans.

I'm not defending the lying here, but ultimately the dieselgate scandal was triggered by too aggressive of regulations that exceeded the possible tech. Most companies decided to just pull diesel cars from the US market, and it turns out that all of the ones that stayed were tricking the tests in one way or another.

The diesels of that era that were having to trick the test, were also orders of magnitude cleaner than previous diesels, and modern diesel tech nowadays does meet those standards that they couldn't meet at the time. Moreover, the diesel trucks and buses are held to a different standard and pollute massively more than the dieselgate vehicles.

Ultimately diesel engines are much more efficient than gasoline engines, and massively reduce CO2 emissions... arguably the biggest health and existential threat humans face today. I think modern diesel/electric hybrids running clean burning renewable diesels probably have less environmental impact than any other type of vehicle on the road today. It's a shame that dieselgate ruined this for us, because it would probably be widespread if not.

For example, the VW XL1 was sold to the public getting 260mpg with ~2013 diesel tech- about twice the 'MPGe' of the most efficient production electric cars, and it can burn carbon neutral renewable diesels. Supposedly these produced 21 g/km of CO2, or about 1/6th of the effective CO2 emissions of EVs in the USA.

Re: Air pollution cancer breakthrough will rewrite the rules

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Just came back from a trip to Albania and let me tell you those NOX are still getting pumped in the air there and will be for quite some time given that "sell it to someone somewhere else" is our go-to "solution" for owning a pollutant car: > Albania is amongst the countries in Europe with the lowest number of new cars on the road, with just 0.6% under two years old https://exit.al/en/2022/08/26/old-cars-dominate-alb…

It’s difficult to judge this in a vacuum. On one hand, toxic emissions. On the other hand, someone who can drive to the hospital in an emergency.

Why would you judge in a vacuum? There's statistics, and traffic fatalities is (one of) the most dangerous thing (for young people). That's cars.

There's 112 and ambulanses if you need to a hospital urgently. Everyone doesn't need a spare "what if my neighbor gets a heart attack" rush to the hospital car at home

Re: Air pollution cancer breakthrough will rewrite the rules

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If I were at a cigarette company, I’d be telling my bosses to fund this research more so then they’d be able to market “cigarettes that don’t cause cancer” right?

You mean arguing that our air is so dirty that lighting up a cigarette and inhaling actually improves the quality of the air that you breathe? :P

Re: Air pollution cancer breakthrough will rewrite the rules

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If I were at a cigarette company, I’d be telling my bosses to fund this research more so then they’d be able to market “cigarettes that don’t cause cancer” right?

You mean arguing that our air is so dirty that lighting up a cigarette and inhaling actually improves the quality of the air that you breathe? :P

“Yep!!!”

- cigarette marketing company

Re: Air pollution cancer breakthrough will rewrite the rules

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> In 50 years we might look at pollution as we look at smoking now, a terrible self-inflicted wound on civilization I'm convinced in 500 years we'll look as today's civilization as barbarian. Like drug addicts, we know we are poisoning ourselves and destroying the natural resources we depend on and we cannot stop.

Why wait? I see modern society as barbaric right now.

They probably mean that it becomes the mainstream/obvious view.

We take most of the society we live in for granted as the way things just are or should be.

Re: Air pollution cancer breakthrough will rewrite the rules

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget the fraud of the whole Dieselgate scandal. We were all getting excess NO2 pumped out of diesel engines. Effectively shortening all our lifespans.

I'm not defending the lying here, but ultimately the dieselgate scandal was triggered by too aggressive of regulations that exceeded the possible tech. Most companies decided to just pull diesel cars from the US market, and it turns out that all of the ones that stayed were tricking the tests in one way or another. The diesels of that era that were having to trick the test, were also orders of magnitude cleaner than…

> Most companies decided to just pull diesel cars from the US market, and it turns out that all of the ones that stayed were tricking the tests in one way or another.

That's just not true. There were three options, stop selling diesels, implement a selective catalytic reduction system, cheat the test. All three were done.

Re: Air pollution cancer breakthrough will rewrite the rules

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post #22

> 99% of people in the world live in places where air pollution exceeds the WHO guidelines Wow. I knew cities are polluted but this is extreme. In 50 years we might look at pollution as we look at smoking now, a terrible self-inflicted wound on civilization that took way too long to acknowledge and fix.

> In 50 years we might look at pollution as we look at smoking now, a terrible self-inflicted wound on civilization I'm convinced in 500 years we'll look as today's civilization as barbarian. Like drug addicts, we know we are poisoning ourselves and destroying the natural resources we depend on and we cannot stop.

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Re: Air pollution cancer breakthrough will rewrite the rules

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post #22

> 99% of people in the world live in places where air pollution exceeds the WHO guidelines Wow. I knew cities are polluted but this is extreme. In 50 years we might look at pollution as we look at smoking now, a terrible self-inflicted wound on civilization that took way too long to acknowledge and fix.

This is why BEV adoption should result in a very large drop in cancer and other health problems.

EV drivers have told me after a bit of ownership, they see ICE cars as thoroughly filthy, loud, dirty, inefficient, and almost rude.

Our addiction to being able to drive places with but a mere tap of a gas pedal has blinded us to the devil's bargain of the ICE. I honestly think that a great deal of the instinctive hatred of cyclists is tied to how deeply the power and convenience and freedom of driving has ensconced itself into our subconscious.

We shall see, I guess.

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