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Re: Flanderization

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A real life example from Computing Science is Edsger Dijkstra. His contributions to the field were extensive, but from talking to people and Google search results he’s now just the minimum spanning tree guy.

Collapsing multi-faceted contributors to a single algorithm considered harmful?

Re: Flanderization

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Sounds a lot like in music when dealing with RIAA labels and their business model: “YES! That was a massive hit! Now do it again!” …and Sir-Mix-a-Lot has said routinely in interviews the more of the novel element but turned up wasn’t the best idea as a follow up to “Baby Got Back” the legit smash. Let’s just say his next album’s lead single became a punchline in Aqua Teen Hunger Force as spoken by the Moonenites.

I first came across Mix-A-Lot by winning a single of his at a school dance before "Baby Got Back" dropped. It was called "One Time's Got No Case" and was about being harassed by the police. Such a talented fellow doesn't deserve to be an effective one-hit wonder. I think PSY suffered from the same problem: the world (outside South Korea) wanted another Gangnam Style.

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Re: Flanderization

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rick And Morty really took a nosedive for me the last couple seasons. It's always just been a fun-when-high recycling of Star Trek episodes and well-known sci-fi ideas to me, but it always had its own style, clever writing and great acting(especially Sarah Chalke). Lately the writing has felt a lot lazier, and I guess they ran out of good Star Trek episodes(understandable since none have been made for almost 20 years…

I don't think they ran out of sci-fi tropes so much as they ran out on the core idea of the show. They took two established characters (Marty and Doc Brown) and explored/deconstructed the inherent absurdity and great dynamic between those two that was never fully exploited by the original films. The decline started once they had done what they could with it.

Right, that makes sense. I honestly wasn't aware of the Back to the Future inspiration, I watched it as a kid and it was never really my type of movie.

Re: Flanderization

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A real life example from Computing Science is Edsger Dijkstra. His contributions to the field were extensive, but from talking to people and Google search results he’s now just the minimum spanning tree guy.

I'd say he's the cranky hot takes guy, because outside of academic writing, that's what people quote the most.

Re: Flanderization

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post #47

It's almost like "specialization" or some sort of natural selection process. Characters accentuate specific unique aspects of themselves because otherwise they would have no reason to exist; the show could have anyone stand in to express generic qualities. Their quirks are what at first works with audiences, then writers keep going back to the well. The common aspects get selected out over time. A/B testing taken to…

I also don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. It feels like many of the examples given are the more extreme cases where it goes too far, but looking at the pilots of most TV shows (especially sitcoms), the characters are fairly generic and uninteresting, and they slowly build up their personas over time as writers write to the actor and to what works.

Community is a good example of that, all the characters definitely developed a lot, though some maybe went too far like Britta. Parks & Recreation is another one, some of the characters were actually just background extras like Retta and Jerry. The whole woodworking part of Ron also came from Nick's own background and built into the character.

Re: Flanderization

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Sounds a lot like in music when dealing with RIAA labels and their business model: “YES! That was a massive hit! Now do it again!” …and Sir-Mix-a-Lot has said routinely in interviews the more of the novel element but turned up wasn’t the best idea as a follow up to “Baby Got Back” the legit smash. Let’s just say his next album’s lead single became a punchline in Aqua Teen Hunger Force as spoken by the Moonenites.

I first came across Mix-A-Lot by winning a single of his at a school dance before "Baby Got Back" dropped. It was called "One Time's Got No Case" and was about being harassed by the police. Such a talented fellow doesn't deserve to be an effective one-hit wonder. I think PSY suffered from the same problem: the world (outside South Korea) wanted another Gangnam Style.

Thankfully I’ve got great news!

He moved into production and I learned he’s pretty close with the two main guys of Presidents of the United States of America (band - “Peaches” - “Lump”) and they make a living that way as studio cats & hired producers.

Too much talent for pop stars and touring!

Re: Flanderization

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This is one of those moments that makes me fall in love with the internet all over again. I've thought about this idea (without knowing there was a term for it!) wrt aging in real life. So many people seem to become increasingly caricature as they get older. The guy who likes woodworking and European travel becomes the embodiment of woodworking and European travel. It's all he talks about. His kids roll their eyes at…

Do you need to prevent it? I think it's related to optimal stopping / the secretary problem.

In the beginning, you explore. Later, you exploit by doing more of the things you found fruitful.

Re: Flanderization

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I don't know about TV Tropes "coining" the concept, I had already discussed this 5+ years ago wrt to computers and we even had a pitch for the "Flanders Threshold"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13353106

I'd accept that Flanders Computing is an offshoot of the overall much-later-coined flanderization process.

Re: Flanderization

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Years ago, I was talking to a friend about IASIP, South Park, and Arrested Development, and why they had held up so well. I argued that it partly had to do with the fact that the characters were already so extreme, they were resistant to Flanderization.

Re: Flanderization

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While we see this a lot with influencers (and I think Joe Rogan is another great example). The phenomenon isn't exactly new. News anchors, writers, country singers, etc. have all been doing the exact same thing for decades. Doubling down on simple characteristics that resonate with their target audience.

Here’s something crazy. Rewatching early Simpsons episodes as someone who first saw Flanders post Flanderization: He’s a less compelling satire because it’s so nuanced, complex, and narrow. He’s not the obvious bad person that Marcy D’Arcy is, but he’s also not the aspirational zen master that Wilson from Home Improvement is either. He’s just kind of a normal-ish OK guy who’s not a compelling foil to Homer. Take his…

Early Simpsons did satirize Christianity a bit but didn't go full blast with it because they already had their hands full with just satirizing the idea of a "normal", wholesome American family that ironically corresponded less and less to the way people were living their lives at the time. We now see satire of American Protestantism as a desirable thing, but it wasn't as desirable as it is now in the early 90's even though people obviously wanted to see some of it.

Flanders looks like a poor foil because we no longer see Homer's family as scandalous. He is indeed a good 'straight man' (in the comedic sense) but early Homer is no longer as goofy so we fail to see it.

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