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Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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It's interesting watching the difference in how transit is treated by officials between NYC (where I lived last year) and Berlin (where I live this year). In NYC, we're ramping up enforcement and cracking down on fare jumping. In Berlin, it's the opposite-- less fare-enforcement and more subsidies for people to take the train. I really have a hard time seeing how NYC's strategy could be more effective. It's not even…

As much as maybe fare evasion is a secondary concern, I think the main reason they're cracking down on the subways in NYC is because people weren't feeling safe on the trains anymore. As much as I love a free and open and fair society, you can see why people not my size might be uncomfortable next to people growling, sleeping with trash bags filled with their belongings, drinking out of brown paper bags, rolling and…

in new delhi, india, metro is "actually amazing"....

you have mandatory baggage x-ray checking and a physcial patdown, both for men and women EVERYTIME you enter the station so you cant have weapons of any sort.

the stations are guarded by trained police (cisf) whole job profile is to only secure highly sensitive operations and they are trained to actually do their job.... you have full CCTV coverage of stations and trains and it is generally safe. for women, the first carriage of every train is mandatory for women only and any men who board that carriage are fined and removed from the train...

you cannot eat or even "sit on the floor of the train" so its very clean even when many thousand passengers ride it every single day...

tickets are enforced so you cannot just freeride the stations and cars. you need a card/ticket to enter and exit and are charged by the time between these two entries so there aren't panhandlers, beggars there...

india has a generally dirty habit of doing chewing tobacco and the city stinks with the stink of red stains on every building, wall, road, vehicles but spitting is an offense in the station/train permises so its also clean by that way.

if you are in india and in delhi, try it once. you will enjoy the ride

Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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Tangential, but why is it so hard in 2022 to make your simple article load without JavaScript? No reader mode either.

Well, because the served page is just a shell, and the actual article content is served via a separate graphql query. Obviously the only way to do it!

For content like this (ie not actually interactive content that might require javascript), I send it to archive.ph, and then almost always you can load the page in readermode or at least with javascript disabled)

Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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As much as maybe fare evasion is a secondary concern, I think the main reason they're cracking down on the subways in NYC is because people weren't feeling safe on the trains anymore. As much as I love a free and open and fair society, you can see why people not my size might be uncomfortable next to people growling, sleeping with trash bags filled with their belongings, drinking out of brown paper bags, rolling and…

in new delhi, india, metro is "actually amazing".... you have mandatory baggage x-ray checking and a physcial patdown, both for men and women EVERYTIME you enter the station so you cant have weapons of any sort. the stations are guarded by trained police (cisf) whole job profile is to only secure highly sensitive operations and they are trained to actually do their job.... you have full CCTV coverage of stations and…

I've just had a look at the pictures:

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/delhi-metro-average-wait...

It looks very nice, even nicer than in some European cities.

Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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It's interesting watching the difference in how transit is treated by officials between NYC (where I lived last year) and Berlin (where I live this year). In NYC, we're ramping up enforcement and cracking down on fare jumping. In Berlin, it's the opposite-- less fare-enforcement and more subsidies for people to take the train. I really have a hard time seeing how NYC's strategy could be more effective. It's not even…

I live in Dresden and can’t remember exactly what when the last time my ticket was checked in the bus or tram. IIRC last time was July and I ride the tram and bus daily

But I always have my ticket with me; as another mentioned, there are undercover control checks that will surprise you

Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as maybe fare evasion is a secondary concern, I think the main reason they're cracking down on the subways in NYC is because people weren't feeling safe on the trains anymore. As much as I love a free and open and fair society, you can see why people not my size might be uncomfortable next to people growling, sleeping with trash bags filled with their belongings, drinking out of brown paper bags, rolling and…

in new delhi, india, metro is "actually amazing".... you have mandatory baggage x-ray checking and a physcial patdown, both for men and women EVERYTIME you enter the station so you cant have weapons of any sort. the stations are guarded by trained police (cisf) whole job profile is to only secure highly sensitive operations and they are trained to actually do their job.... you have full CCTV coverage of stations and…

I don't have an issue with tougher policing of the fare with actual doors and police presence but a patdown is kind of ridiculous. I'm afraid people too easily give up their freedom for a tiny increase in safety

Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as maybe fare evasion is a secondary concern, I think the main reason they're cracking down on the subways in NYC is because people weren't feeling safe on the trains anymore. As much as I love a free and open and fair society, you can see why people not my size might be uncomfortable next to people growling, sleeping with trash bags filled with their belongings, drinking out of brown paper bags, rolling and…

I see people jump the turnstiles all the time, and they're usually not the type that growl at you. Usually (at least in my area) it is young, teenage or early 20-something brown/black males who blend back into the crowd immediately. I agree the types of people you described are a problem, but they aren't the farejumpers.

lol brown/black males. Isn't that a bit passive aggressive version of racism hidden under "just pointing out what I noticed"? Is that because you are biased that you notice or is it the actual reality?

Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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The 9€ ticket "success story" looks like a large hoax mainly created by green-friendly media. 1) The CO2 savings are nothing more than a wild guess rather than a scientifically sound estimation. The real numbers might be as low as 600000 tonns. And even these numbers are unsure because they include all those car drivers who have used this ticket only once during the 3-month test period, out of curiosity, and therefor…

1) The 9 € ticket wasn't about CO2 reduction, it was about providing cheap(er) public transportation for the masses. 2) Even 10 billion is not really much money for a state like Germany. If the 9 € ticket, or a successor, would be rolled out permanently you'd expect savings in different areas which could make up for the additional cost of a subsidized ticket. Make the ticket 30 €/month and you'll only have a third of…

What it didn't show is "name a price" so that the tax payer can know what they're getting back for the money.

Re: Germany's €9 transit ticket cuts 1.8 million tonnes of CO2

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Tangential, but why is it so hard in 2022 to make your simple article load without JavaScript? No reader mode either.

It's not hard, but you're probably not their target audience so they don't care. The best you can do these days is to either use a compromise like and archive.org plugin or ublock origin.
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