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Re: Ask HN: Work Culture Canary?

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Mine is when human beings working at the company start becoming referred to as “resources” instead of people.

You can do both: "resources" and "people" are two different point of views of the same thing. I’m in a 5-person company and we refer to people as "resources" when we’re allocating times to each project. We refer to people as "people" outside of that.

You can certainly do both, but you shouldn't.

People are not resources: each one of them will do different work and different amount of work. They are never interchangeable, and they don't even behave the same over time. A frustrated or bored "resource" will do lesser work, but as long as you refer to them as a resource, you'll miss on that nuance.

It's not that hard to consider them people, possibly even people by names in such a small company as yours.

Re: Ask HN: Work Culture Canary?

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How jokes are reacted to. Jokes can be unfunny or tasteless, but when someone argues big concepts that a joke must not be made, its a big red flag.

And conversely when someone argues big concepts ("freedom of speech", etc) to continue making tasteless jokes that people don’t enjoy.

Re: Ask HN: Work Culture Canary?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do both: "resources" and "people" are two different point of views of the same thing. I’m in a 5-person company and we refer to people as "resources" when we’re allocating times to each project. We refer to people as "people" outside of that.

You can certainly do both, but you shouldn't. People are not resources: each one of them will do different work and different amount of work. They are never interchangeable, and they don't even behave the same over time. A frustrated or bored "resource" will do lesser work, but as long as you refer to them as a resource, you'll miss on that nuance. It's not that hard to consider them people, possibly even people by n…

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Re: Ask HN: Work Culture Canary?

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When the leadership switches on "let us know what you think" to "your managers will chat to you and collect feedback". It's not always the case but often this is leadership putting up a barrier so they can more easily dismiss the feedback they know they're going to get.

Re: Ask HN: Work Culture Canary?

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All within reason, I assume? Or would you be OK with jokes about skin color and such? I'm not humoring you, I'm genuinely interested in your answer.

You can make sexist or racist jokes as you want if you are the butt of the joke yourself. It still makes other people laugh.

the problem with that is lack of culture in the recipient, for example most of my peers would be very confused with the W word, ie. "Whitey" from Giles Scott Heron's "Whitey on the noon"...

Re: Ask HN: Work Culture Canary?

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This isn't quite the same thing as a "work culture canary", but it offered an interesting (to me, at least) perspective on coworkers.

On two occasions, once in a large media office in the UK for a year and the second time in another large media office in Australia for two-and-a-half years, I maintained a huge stash of chocolate bars in the drawers at my workstation. In the UK, I'd leave the drawer open to display the wares; Twix, Milky Way, Flake, Rolos etc, and also bars of slightly better chocolate - Toblerone, Green & Black's etc.

People would drop by for a chat, take what they wanted and go on their way. Quite a few would cut the chat, grab a bar and leave with a grin or a thumbs-up or similar. I liked it that they cut to the chase; didn't feel awkward about taking what was freely offered without feeling obliged, for weird social/politeness reasons, to make smalltalk.

At the time, we'd had a bunch of teenagers working to sort out, manually, a huge mess with a football (i.e. soccer) score/results feed, which was spewing all sorts of rogue data. The teenagers were all keen followers of the sport and could spot errors reliably. One was my nephew, a law student, one was a friend's son, an English Lit student, and the other two were sons of a colleague, one an economics student and his brother in his final year of school. This crew were stationed all around my workstation. They were really observant.

It surprised me to find out that some colleagues would avail themselves of the chocolate drawer only when I wasn't at my desk (too many meetings, so for at least an hour during the working day). Others, I was told, whose regular choices would be Twix, Rolos or similar, would, if I were absent, hit the better stuff instead. My young observers had great fun with this people-watching stuff, and it amused me greatly.

In Australia, I kept drawers stocked with standard bags of fun-size Mars, Twix, Milky Way, Flake etc, and higher-quality bars from Haigh's and Koko Black. Every day I'd fill bowls with these and leave them on a shelf in front of my desk. Although I lacked my teen crew, I found willing observers among the devs in our corner of the office - we were working on a newsroom system and doing so in the newsroom itself, so lots of journalists and ad people were our neighbours; which was a similar mix to that in the UK.

Similar patterns emerged. Some people took chocolates only when I wasn't present, and others changed their preferences based on my presence/absence.

It'd never pass muster as a proper experiment, but my biggest take-home was that "my sort of person" was happy to grab and run without chitchat, always took whatever they fancied, and never altered their habits depending on whether or not I was around. Also, and this was the same in the UK and in Australia, the "grab-grin-and-run" folks were the only ones who would, every now and then, add a pile of chocolate themselves.

Another takeout, again, it's nothing but anecdotal, was that advertising people took the free stuff only when I wasn't around, in the UK and in Australia.

Anyhow, chocolate is quite cheap and my supplies probably cost £20 to £30 a week at the time (say 10 or 12 years ago). But it's fun seeing how people react to something as trivial as free chocolate, and how it provides behavioural/social insights.

Re: Ask HN: Work Culture Canary?

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Every time I take a can of soda from the fridge, I replace it with two. I exhort my colleagues to do the same. However we have yet to reach my goal of 2^64 cans which makes me suspect there are some bad apples.

I don't get it. Although it may seems like it is an exponential process, when following this rule, the number of cans currently in the fridge is just the total number ever consumed. This process is limited by people soda consumption.

Re: Ask HN: Work Culture Canary?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do both: "resources" and "people" are two different point of views of the same thing. I’m in a 5-person company and we refer to people as "resources" when we’re allocating times to each project. We refer to people as "people" outside of that.

You can certainly do both, but you shouldn't. People are not resources: each one of them will do different work and different amount of work. They are never interchangeable, and they don't even behave the same over time. A frustrated or bored "resource" will do lesser work, but as long as you refer to them as a resource, you'll miss on that nuance. It's not that hard to consider them people, possibly even people by n…

> People are not resources: each one of them will do different work and different amount of work.

Different people have different resources, when you allocate a resource, you're allocating something someone can do, not something they can't do.. When you put resources on a project, the people follow along, since they're the ones with the resource in demand.

I've never understood the resource as referring to a person, but rather, to the work that is expected that the person can do.

If you need a C++ resource, you pick a person that can do C++, they may also be able to do PHP and SQL, but in this case, that's not what you're selecting for.

Re: Ask HN: Work Culture Canary?

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This is for management culture: talk to your non-technical colleages (office manager, junior HR/admin etc) see how they are doing and how they are being treated.

To understand who someone is you need to see how they behave when they have nothing stopping them. Management will often have to treat engineering/specialist staff well because they have no choice, but they see support staff as more interchangeable and easier to replace. If they are being treated well, with respect etc, then that's because management have a good culture of valuing people.

How management treats people it doesn't have to treat well tells you have they would treat you if they could.

It's kind of the office version of the judging people based on how they treat waiting staff.

Re: Ask HN: Work Culture Canary?

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In a similar vein I visited Cyprus some years ago. In the middle of nowhere was a shaded spot with a few tables, a fridge and a plastic tub. You took a beer out of the fridge and put the money in the tub. That was how it worked.

I lived in a city where Little Free Library system worked really well. There were library boxes all over the city. You take a book and you leave a book. Or bring it back next time. Or put it in the different box. There were people who scavanged those libraries for books they could sell, but overall the system worked well. There was always something random to take and read, something you'd normally not read, but becau…

Quite a lot of the old red phone boxes in the UK have been turned into these. They work great. We have one in our nearest park.
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