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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by threatofrain »

oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

I would argue that whether you're driving a gas-powered BMW or an electric BMW, all car companies are motivated to add internet-driven features and metrics to future cars. Your car could be solar-powered and this would still be the case. The only way dis-incentives could confidently outweigh incentives would be if governments use laws & enforcement to destroy the value of tracking users.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by pbj1968 »

thoughtstheseus wrote: post #21
jorblumesea wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sad how green energy has become part of the culture wars, especially given many of the states most impacted by climate change (Florida, Texas) could benefit the most. They also have vast possibilities in green power.

In what way? Texas and Florida have the 2nd and 3rd most installed solar in the US by state

And Texas generates the most wind power…

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by ant6n »

oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

I love the idea of an EV, but ultimately it’s just extending a pretty unsustainable car culture involving the allocation of half of urban space to individuals moving around 1~2 tons of metal in order to do trips that would be much shorter with better designed cities, while letting walking, cycling and transit languish.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by jnwatson »

guidedlight wrote: post #8

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

I had the misfortune of renting a Tesla right before a severe cold snap in Virginia. I was charging at 4 miles an hour at the public charging station. I’m not sure I would buy an EV in an area where it stays below freezing for weeks at a time.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by sandworm101 »

oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

I just completed a ~1600km drive back from visiting family. Half way through the outbound trip, in the middle of the mountains, I had to make a 300km detour due to a massive accident (two semi trucks head-on closed a mountain highway for more than a day). The detour was through a valley with no cellphone coverage for 150+km. At a rest stop I met a tesla driver in a panic. Without internet he was unable to figure out whether he should continue, turn around, or wait out the accident. That was the one and only electric vehicle I saw that day. There are some parts of this planet where it it very hard to envision mass EV adoption.

(Here is a link if anyone wants to confirm my story, but be warned. You cannot unread this. It was a horrible accident.) https://www.aldergrovestar.com/news/fatal-semi-truck-collisi...

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by AmericanChopper »

josephcsible wrote: post #48
AmericanChopper wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give me a decent un-networked EV and I’ll buy it immediately. Until then I’ll keep my ICE vehicle. Which will probably be until they’re eventually banned, because I don’t think a decent un-networked EV is ever going to exist.

It's unfair to ask for an un-networked EV when basically nobody is even making un-networked ICE vehicles anymore.

It’s very simple to find a high quality ICE vehicle that is not substantially networked to remote services, or at least that you can easily disconnect. I brought a brand new one very recently, nobody is able to remotely control the vehicle, and the only surveillance instruments in the car are the ones I choose to carry around with me.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by hwillis »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #11
guidedlight wrote: post #8

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

Give me a decent un-networked EV and I’ll buy it immediately. Until then I’ll keep my ICE vehicle. Which will probably be until they’re eventually banned, because I don’t think a decent un-networked EV is ever going to exist.

Is there something that makes the electric Volkswagens, Hyundais, Nissans, Chevys and Fords different from the conventional cars?

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by Gigachad »

crooked-v wrote: post #10

I suspect it would be even faster if there was a charging option for the many people in cities with their cars in shared garages, even one as simple as just having a lot of 240V outlets. It feels like something that's rather overlooked at the moment.

The problem is mostly around metering and billing. Installing 240v outlets is very easy. Making the users of them pay for their usage is harder (but not too hard).

No one wants to pay the power usage of someone else.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by JKCalhoun »

ant6n wrote: post #53
oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

I love the idea of an EV, but ultimately it’s just extending a pretty unsustainable car culture involving the allocation of half of urban space to individuals moving around 1~2 tons of metal in order to do trips that would be much shorter with better designed cities, while letting walking, cycling and transit languish.

Agree. If EV, I prefer electric bikes/scooters. Especially that crazy swappable battery thing they have in Singapore (https://news.yahoo.com/trial-battery-swap-charge-stations-el...).

To be sure, in the U.S., you would probably still need a car in winter, rain...

To that end, the wife and I are down to a single car we share between the two of us. (Seems like such a radical thing to do in the U.S. for some reason.)

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Post by JKCalhoun »

RichardCNormos wrote: post #47
oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

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A lot of what-ifs.

I suppose you go solar coupled with a whole-house battery storage system.

Probably win a court case (and sizable payout) against a corporation cancelling your ability to drive your own car.

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