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Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Post by unilynx »

lozenge wrote: post #46
gumby wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Normally standards bodies deliberate over the standard. IIRC Guy was saying that they just handed a document to ECMA and and it was stamped “approved”. Hmm, I see the same was done with Dart…

And C# as well

And the MS Office XML formats

Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Post by simonh »

josefx wrote: post #38
threeseed wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a) Calling a person evil should be reserved for those that commit truly heinous acts. Not simply being a tough, shrewd businessman in an industry where you need to be. b) Oracle's CEO is Safra Katz and has been for a while now. And pretty sure she has a lot more on her plate to worry about i.e. existential threat of AWS/Azure/GCP than fighting some meaningless lawsuit.

> shrewd businessman in an industry where you need to be. Let me put it that way, if he was only as shrewd as "needed" he wouldn't be sitting there with billions to his name. Every billionaire is driving a wealth distribution that makes the lives of millions of people worse.

Yet somehow people like this manage to employ and fund the livelihoods of tens of thousands of people, established an ecosystem of skilled engineers, and deliver products that run huge swathes of the economy. I’m no particular fan of Ellison, but I’ve worked for a billionaire when he made his money, Mo Ibrahim. Just the nicest guy. His technical smarts and business sense helped launch a key stage in my career and I’ll always be grateful. He deserved every penny he made and everyone I know that worked for any of his companies, and his customers, did very well out of his hard work.

How many careers have you supported? How many products did you conceive and design that transformed an industry? How many families were fed and clothed by wages from your companies? I doubt you’ve done as much good for as many people in your whole life as Mo Ibrahim did in a day at the office. Now he’s off working to transform political culture in Africa.

Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Post by threeseed »

machinawhite wrote: post #49
threeseed wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a) Calling a person evil should be reserved for those that commit truly heinous acts. Not simply being a tough, shrewd businessman in an industry where you need to be. b) Oracle's CEO is Safra Katz and has been for a while now. And pretty sure she has a lot more on her plate to worry about i.e. existential threat of AWS/Azure/GCP than fighting some meaningless lawsuit.

a) I don't think you get to define words for us all

I must have missed the part where I was hired to define words for humanity.

I was just offering my opinion that there are people on this planet who have caused unspeakable misery not just genocide but industrialised misery. And that throwing around the term evil to apply to a tough and unquestionably unethical businessman devalues it.

Re: Dear Oracle, Please Release the JavaScript Trademark

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Post by IshKebab »

thedebuglife wrote: post #15
gumby wrote: post #12

Can’t you just call it ECMAScript, or are they somehow different these days? Guy Steele told me once that Sun registered it with ECMA so they could tell people (governments?) that it was a registered standard and that ECMA was the easiest/fastest/most compliant way to get there. I’d always thought that ECMA was a weird place to register it.

I believe ECMAScript is the specification of which JavaScript is an implementation.

It's not. ECMAScript is just an awkward name they used because people couldn't agree to use "JavaScript". They're really the same thing.

Implementations of ECMAScript/JavaScript are things like V8 and Spidermonkey.

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