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I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Post by paganel »

mccorrinall wrote: post #48
oivey wrote: post #34

This article seems to have been posted to make a false equivalence with the current Kiwifarms situation. There’s a pretty clear difference in urgency between taking down DDOSers and deplatforming a forum that is a gathering point for a mob engaging in mass harassment, stalking, and SWATing. One is a nonviolent crime. The other is a crime targeting an individual that had already escalated to the point of a high risk o…

Cloudflare still protects all those forums which harm people. Kiwifarms is the only one which was sensationized by the twitter crowd. Look at crime.to. They still send bomb threats [1], exchange stolen credit card data [2], harass people to the point where they lose their houses [3] (SWATing, breaking in into their house and much more included), and probably more on a daily basis. Still protected by cloudflare. Prett…

There's something very wrong with the game community.

I've learned enough during stupid internet fights I have had on reddit to never continue a conversation with an avid gamer, no matter the subject. Stories like this one you linked to on merkur.de (read via Google Translate, but I think they got it right) confirm to me that that was the correct call.

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Post by fareesh »

Political neutrality is important for the tech industry. I appreciate Cloudflare trying its best to be neutral. When harm is done, the fault lies at the feet of the perpetrator. Blaming their utility company, hosting provider, DNS registrar, grocer, butcher, barber, etc. is lunacy.

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Post by BrainVirus »

judge2020 wrote: post #8

How do we prevent DDOS without centralized services like these? There has to be something. It would be nice if these attacks were blocked before they even get to a transit provider, but cheap server / VPN providers seem unmotivated to try to solve the problem (since they barely lose any money when they facilitate the DDOS, and/or the attacking devices are rogue IoT devices and booting them would mean booting legitima…

Transfer away from HTTP and DNS. Use something like global NATS clusters for content delivery. Make sure there are many providers.

Problem is, this is not what Big Tech actually wants.

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Post by xfer »

rtpg wrote: post #32
judge2020 wrote: post #14

> they are actively lighting these fires and making money by putting them out! A bit of an odd take - it's like the fire department putting out the fire at the known arsonist-for-hire's house, and the police chief happens to run the fire department while doing nothing about the suspiciously wealthy arsonist. The difference is that Cloudflare isn't an actual public service and has no obligation to DDOS protect anyone.

A simpler example: AWS hosts fakeLVbags.com. This site sells counterfeit luxury handbags, and says so clearly on the site. Now AWS does not realize this as they are large and have lots of operations. However, one day a journalist asks Amazon directly about this website, and there is an official press release by Amazon made about it. AWS has had this illegal activity brought to their attention, as well as the fact tha…

A DDoS Protection company doesn't know what the state of the market is? Really? Feigning ignorance on this matter is not very honest.

Your aws story is completely irrelevant since AWS doesn't sell counterfeit luxury handbag insurance. Would you argue amazon webstore doesn't know about fake products in their marketplace?

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Post by tcmb »

Maybe a better analogy is an energy provider: You don't expect them to turn off somebody's power because they are listening to the wrong kind of music.

Energy companies are publicly traded companies as well, I don't see what difference this fact makes in the analogy and the argument.

Policing is the police's job, not that of infrastructure and utility companies, precicely because that would bring a lot of hairy questions that the author raises as well.

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Post by sascha_sl »

mccorrinall wrote: post #48
oivey wrote: post #34

This article seems to have been posted to make a false equivalence with the current Kiwifarms situation. There’s a pretty clear difference in urgency between taking down DDOSers and deplatforming a forum that is a gathering point for a mob engaging in mass harassment, stalking, and SWATing. One is a nonviolent crime. The other is a crime targeting an individual that had already escalated to the point of a high risk o…

Cloudflare still protects all those forums which harm people. Kiwifarms is the only one which was sensationized by the twitter crowd. Look at crime.to. They still send bomb threats [1], exchange stolen credit card data [2], harass people to the point where they lose their houses [3] (SWATing, breaking in into their house and much more included), and probably more on a daily basis. Still protected by cloudflare. Prett…

crime.to is a bit different in that the owners and moderators themselves are involved and eventually get caught, whereas kiwifarms love to pretend it's merely a gossip site (even if people on it are not notable and the conversation exceeds gossip quite often). It's more the spiritual successor to 1337crew or carders (the later of which had a policy of all staff using names of greek OR roman gods - sometimes duplicates, which tells you all you need about it)

Also, Drachenlord is being harassed from essentially every german speaking website that doesn't have good moderation policies (hi pr0gramm) or doesn't enforce them (hi twitter); crime.to is not really the flashpoint. He also has a thread on Kiwifarms that's quite active.

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Post by defrost »

superchroma wrote: post #24
defrost wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the second link in the article and part of the header abstract.

The second link in the article is the Cloudflare blog post and I'm not seeing a header abstract on my device, just a title and text.

Third link, (my bad) with the abstract | header | opening being that part above the first sub heading.

Point being, it's there in the lead.

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Post by firtoz »

paganel wrote: post #51
mccorrinall wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloudflare still protects all those forums which harm people. Kiwifarms is the only one which was sensationized by the twitter crowd. Look at crime.to. They still send bomb threats [1], exchange stolen credit card data [2], harass people to the point where they lose their houses [3] (SWATing, breaking in into their house and much more included), and probably more on a daily basis. Still protected by cloudflare. Prett…

There's something very wrong with the game community. I've learned enough during stupid internet fights I have had on reddit to never continue a conversation with an avid gamer, no matter the subject. Stories like this one you linked to on merkur.de (read via Google Translate, but I think they got it right) confirm to me that that was the correct call.

Why game community?

It's more like all of the world enjoy games, including these sociopaths.

You are chasing a red herring.

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Post by 8note »

roenxi wrote: post #35

This article is not very articulate on the point, but goes to the real touchy point with the Kiwifarms decision. Based on what I know it seems Cloudflare made a good decision, but: 1. The internet is vast. 2. Figuring out what someone is doing on the internet even if you did somehow have full transparency over the data they send/receive is hard. 3. Any policy of intervention is going to leave behind a stream of poorl…

It's a great argument against the scale that cloudformation has, and regulation would help.

If you can't figure out that one of your clients is doing this bad things, you shouldn't have so many clients

Re: I ran the worlds largest DDoS-for-Hire empire and Cloudflare helped

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Post by dapids »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #45
oivey wrote: post #34

This article seems to have been posted to make a false equivalence with the current Kiwifarms situation. There’s a pretty clear difference in urgency between taking down DDOSers and deplatforming a forum that is a gathering point for a mob engaging in mass harassment, stalking, and SWATing. One is a nonviolent crime. The other is a crime targeting an individual that had already escalated to the point of a high risk o…

DDOSing is illegal, any illegal content on KF is quickly removed.

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