Jetbrains pivots towards integrated solutions unfortunately reminds me of the demise of Delphi when Borland moved to "ALM". Hopefully IntelliJ fares better
Jetbrains Space
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is way off the deep end as a response to a company offering a tool that nobody has to use if they don’t want to. > I am explaining to you why it’s in your own self interest That’s for your opinion of my own interests. JetBrains don’t tell me what I should do, or tell me that I don’t know my own interests, or make moral judgements against me, only people like you do that.
Why would a corporation make a judgement against you when you’re advocating for them?
They don’t make judgements if you’re advocating for them or not.
If I turn down a service from a company they don’t question my morals or call me a hypocrite do they? That just doesn’t happen like you think it does.
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#53We use Space due to GitLab's recent pricing changes. We like: - free git hosting - free slack-like with sub-thread - generous CI/CD - built-in issue tracker - built-in wiki - very snappy - has mobile app We don't like: - CI/CD script uses Kotlin DSL, feels "heavy". - Issue tracker very basic, we end up using YouTrack. Still don't know how to integrate it lol. - One project can have multiple repos, but they all share…
Feels like there's a big race to be the all-in-one everything tool for everything. It's Gitlabs whole schtick, GitHub is moving in that direction, now "also Jetbrains".
IMO I think something like Jetbrains should be leaning into integration, not all-in-one. Connective tissue last longer than walled garden.
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#54Things like the Git hosting provided by this Space thing sounded pretty good for EU-based users, as Jetbrains is a company registered in the Czech Republic. Unfortunately, their FAQ on privacy states that all of the data will be stored in Amazon AWS, so from the privacy perspective this is no improvement over Github or Gitlab.
If you think that Amazon are reading customer data, you are utterly crazy. Privacy is multi dimensional. If the US government wants access to your stuff, all the EU hosting in the world is not going to stop them.
I don't think I said Amazon is, or isn't, reading customer data. Nobody knows.
As an EU citizen, I just prefer my data to be handed by an European company inside an European country, as I wouldn't want my data to be in China, handed by Baidu, if I was an American citizen.
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#55We use Space due to GitLab's recent pricing changes. We like: - free git hosting - free slack-like with sub-thread - generous CI/CD - built-in issue tracker - built-in wiki - very snappy - has mobile app We don't like: - CI/CD script uses Kotlin DSL, feels "heavy". - Issue tracker very basic, we end up using YouTrack. Still don't know how to integrate it lol. - One project can have multiple repos, but they all share…
> - CI/CD script uses Kotlin DSL, feels "heavy".
But hopefully the IDE completion is second to none? My experience with editing .gitlab-ci.yml is that different versions support different features/structures, but GL didn't annotate their file with any such version specifier making it hard on the tooling. I haven't used Space in anger in order to know what that editing experience is like, but I have used the Kotlin version of gradle and it's night and day different having actual, you know, types for things
As much as I detest Jenkins, the one thing I thought it did well with Jenkinsfile was the ability to declare shared modules (GL offers this too with "includes:" but it can be some mindfuck trying to reason about the hierarchy, extends, and now !reference usage to get composition correct). I hope Space has something similar if they're going down that (literal) pipeline-as-code route
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#56Jetbrains pivots towards integrated solutions unfortunately reminds me of the demise of Delphi when Borland moved to "ALM". Hopefully IntelliJ fares better
I cannot tell you the amount of "shut up and take my money" if they'd wire IJ analysis into Space, because while they've been trying to ship Qodana for a while, holy hell it's executed poorly. With Space, how can they _not_ have the expertise to have a checkbox that says "run our inspections upon this code" without having to have a PhD in both CI and IJ
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#57Interesting that they are also offering on-prem option for Space [1], currently in beta.
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#58I don't use any Jetbrains product and I have no idea how well-executed this is, but I am pleased to see a relatively smaller company competing against the almost monopoly of Microsoft's VS Code and GitHub.
Err, you're aware that GitLab is MIT and Space is not even pretending to be open, right?
IntelliJ and PyCharm Community are both Apache 2 licensed and are absolutely stellar https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community> (I mean that they're not crippleware, they're outstanding products that just happen to omit Spring, SQL, and Django support from the Apache 2 versions)
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can believe that it'll be rough at first, but jetbrains is really good at iteratively improving their products. that said, I'm not incredibly interested in it. Maybe if I were at a company that just got a series A or something, and was starting to hire quickly, and didn't already have an entrenched environment. I'll probably make use of their remote environments at some point -- it solves a lot of cross-platform de…
+1 having to juggle multiple IDEs for a multi language project is clunky.
Yeah, bonus points for them seeming to use the same `.idea` directory but in incompatible ways :sob:
Re: Jetbrains Space
#60We use Space due to GitLab's recent pricing changes. We like: - free git hosting - free slack-like with sub-thread - generous CI/CD - built-in issue tracker - built-in wiki - very snappy - has mobile app We don't like: - CI/CD script uses Kotlin DSL, feels "heavy". - Issue tracker very basic, we end up using YouTrack. Still don't know how to integrate it lol. - One project can have multiple repos, but they all share…
Feels like there's a big race to be the all-in-one everything tool for everything. It's Gitlabs whole schtick, GitHub is moving in that direction, now "also Jetbrains". IMO I think something like Jetbrains should be leaning into integration, not all-in-one. Connective tissue last longer than walled garden.
There's no money in integration. It's very easy to get approval for some big shiny tool with a frontend and 19 different features. It's very difficult to get corporate approval for a tiny integration thing that makes 5 of those features work with some others in a different tool. "Can't you just type it in manually?"