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Both South Africa and Israel were created by European refugees fleeing persecution. Both countries became very militaristic and has Western allies who overlooked the way they treated their natives. Both countries where populated by a people who felt that their culture was under attack and vulnerable.
No one is overlooking the way Israel treats the natives. They treat the Jews fine! Oh, by natives you meant Arabs? Well that would just be a fallacy to say that. In South Africa, the minority ruled OVER the majority. THAT is the definition of apartheid. In Israel, the Majority rules the minority. Which is the definition of democracy. Also, there is a reason they are called "Arabs" and not "Israeli", its because they…
How Israel turned itself into a high-tech hub
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Israel got its territory the same way practically every other country in the world got its territory - they obtained it through a treaty, or they won it in a war. You know, there's a term for holding Jews to moral standards no other nation on earth is subjected to. And as far as 'extreme human rights issues' are concerned - in the Palestinian National Authority, the freedom to criticize the government is a sham, jour…
Israel runs a two tiered right system. In the West Bank Israeli settlers live under Israeli laws while the non-Jewish Palestinians live under military rule where their land is constantly being confiscated for Jewish settlers. That is wrong, plain and simple. It doesn't matter what you said is wrong with Arabs, running a two tiered system of rights is very wrong.
Israel occupied the West Bank, the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights after winning the Six-Day War. When Egypt - twelve years and another war later - negotiated a peace treaty with Israel, Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to them, and it once again became Egyptian.
Syria hasn't shown much interest in negotiating peace with Israel, and that's why the Golan Heights are not Syrian at the moment - and the way things are going, likely never will be.
The Palestinians also haven't shown much interest in peace. The Israelis have made many generous offers over the years - the Palestinians could've easily negotiated peace and established a state at the Oslo Accords or the Camp David Accords. They declined to do so. When they eventually decide that they do want peace, then 'their land' will be what they negotiate - but until then, they've got they same status as Germans or Japanese in the immediate aftermath of WWII.
Considering Israel's historical and religious ties to the land, and considering that there's been over forty years to sort out peace, they've been incredibly tolerant by not annexing the entire West Bank outright. (Which they've quite plausibly got the right to do - Israel may have signed the Fourth Geneva Convention, but the West Bank wasn't claimed by another sovereign state at the time of its occupation.) European countries aren't nearly as generous when they win wars - which is why Gdańsk is Polish, Bolzano is Italian, Kaliningrad is Russian, and Hungary is a whole lot smaller than it used to be.
Again, I have to question why people want to hold the world's only Jewish state to a standard followed by no other country.
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You should do a better research. If there weren't Israeli startups, the country wouldn't show the highest domestic expenditure in R&D as percentage of the GDP[1], nor would it have ranked second only to the United States in invested private-equity capital as a share of GDP[2]. Israel is also the home of the most foreign companies on the NASDAQ index, surpassing Canada[3]. There are over 6,500 companies between high-t…
And you should stop being complacent. Did you see the recent protests on Rothschild Boulevard? The article mentions that boulevard 4 times as "Silicon boulevard - the place to watch." Check out: http://israelsciencetechnology.blogspirit.com (it's down http://web.archive.org/web/20110708020809/http://israelscien... ) See how many acquisitions? To me that's just wrong - even though it may be right for the Rothschilds.
I get that you might find it to be immoral, maybe, that so many startups are getting funded or getting pretty good exits in the U.S. (after all, that's the best place atm to get exits), while Israeli are having protests about inequality and high cost of housing, but then again, U.S. has a very high number of startups, and yet we are seeing protests everywhere in that country. That still doesn't mean there aren't startups in Israel.
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And you should stop being complacent. Did you see the recent protests on Rothschild Boulevard? The article mentions that boulevard 4 times as "Silicon boulevard - the place to watch." Check out: http://israelsciencetechnology.blogspirit.com (it's down http://web.archive.org/web/20110708020809/http://israelscien... ) See how many acquisitions? To me that's just wrong - even though it may be right for the Rothschilds.
I see the protests about inequality and the high cost of housing that took place in that boulevard, but I don't see why that's relevant, could you please explain it further? I get that you might find it to be immoral, maybe, that so many startups are getting funded or getting pretty good exits in the U.S. (after all, that's the best place atm to get exits), while Israeli are having protests about inequality and high…
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I see the protests about inequality and the high cost of housing that took place in that boulevard, but I don't see why that's relevant, could you please explain it further? I get that you might find it to be immoral, maybe, that so many startups are getting funded or getting pretty good exits in the U.S. (after all, that's the best place atm to get exits), while Israeli are having protests about inequality and high…
Ok so you're from the US?? - look at my original post and join some dots and hopefully you'll see where I'm coming from.
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#56Israel has extreme human rights issues they need to deal with before I'll consider doing business with them. The Israeli government insists on continuing to settle its citizens onto Palestinian territory, driving local Palestinians off their land. As long as settlements continue, businesses should not look to Israel as a country to work with.
I totally agree with you cq. Since Saturday 30+ people died in protests in Egypt. It was reported today that a news photographer in Syria got his eyes cut off before he was executed. Israel is such a douche.
If ever, the UN and all of the Western World is the douche - why do they let it go on?
Did you ever ask yourself why the US and Europe got involved with Lybia's violent protests, and still remain completely silent about whatever is going on in Syria and Egypt?
This is hypocrisy at its best (worst?).
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Israel is only a democracy for those included as citizens. There are millions of Arabs in the West Bank who are explicitly excluded as citizens while the Jewish Israeli settlers all around them are considered Israeli citizens. Israel is a democracy for those that it wants in its democracy and it is military rule for those that wants excluded.
First you say Israel doesn't rightfully own the west bank, and then you say Israel should give all west bank Arab residents citizenship? You'r contradicting yourself.
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Israel runs a two tiered right system. In the West Bank Israeli settlers live under Israeli laws while the non-Jewish Palestinians live under military rule where their land is constantly being confiscated for Jewish settlers. That is wrong, plain and simple. It doesn't matter what you said is wrong with Arabs, running a two tiered system of rights is very wrong.
When a party loses a war against another party, they don't have much in the way of rights until there's a negotiated peace. They certainly don't get to talk about 'their land' in any meaningful sense. Israel occupied the West Bank, the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights after winning the Six-Day War. When Egypt - twelve years and another war later - negotiated a peace treaty with Israel, Israel re…
Actually real annexation is desirable. Annexing the West Bank and incorporating its Arab residents into Israel proper (the Jewish settler residents of the West Bank are already considered Israeli) would be a just solution to the issue.
Then everyone would be equal under the law and the Palestinians would have a say over the future. Many of them would like to return to their homes that they left 1948:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus
I think that either there is a two-state solution or a one-state solution (which can be annexation if you like) is okay. But the dual system of rights where Jewish settlers are privileged and non-Jewish Palestinian Arabs are under military rule is not something a modern Western state should be justifying to itself or others, and it something that people like yourself shouldn't have to wrap themselves in knots trying to "explain".
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I totally agree with you cq. Since Saturday 30+ people died in protests in Egypt. It was reported today that a news photographer in Syria got his eyes cut off before he was executed. Israel is such a douche.
But what does Israel has to do with affairs of her surrounding countries? Why are we to blame for acts of Egyptian and Syrian authorities against their own people? If ever, the UN and all of the Western World is the douche - why do they let it go on? Did you ever ask yourself why the US and Europe got involved with Lybia's violent protests, and still remain completely silent about whatever is going on in Syria and Eg…
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But what does Israel has to do with affairs of her surrounding countries? Why are we to blame for acts of Egyptian and Syrian authorities against their own people? If ever, the UN and all of the Western World is the douche - why do they let it go on? Did you ever ask yourself why the US and Europe got involved with Lybia's violent protests, and still remain completely silent about whatever is going on in Syria and Eg…
I believe that the person you are responding to was being sarcastic.