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They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by oa335 »

ubukhary wrote: post #23

its interesting to see supporter of the previous govt who silenced most of the journalists and activists from twitter with heavy handed law enforcement tactics, now claiming to be a freedom of speech proponent For those who do not know, PTI owned and operated largest bots and trolls network who habitually abused people who ever would disagree with them. Consider them TRUMP supporters like mentality people in Pakistan

I don't think thats a fair characterization of PTI supporters. PML-N and PPP have literally created cults of personality around their families, in many ways their followers can be described as cult-like also.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by bell-cot »

politelemon wrote: post #22
bell-cot wrote: post #12

Sad to say, but people often [want|need|expect] a corporation to act as a [competent|reliable|trustworthy] [government|law-enforcement agency|court]. Corporations are very clearly none of those things, and generally have lots of disincentive against attempting to fake being any of those things.

They have plenty of incentive to fake being those things, and regularly do so, unless there are repercussions for doing that thing.

True, but that's nothing special. If my next door neighbor is a jerk, he may try to pretend that the legal property boundary is 3' into my yard from where it really is, and that his say-so is what determines that boundary.

The types of "faking it" that very quickly separate the real governments from the corporations & pretenders are "make the laws", "collect the taxes", "run the courts", and "back it with force". If the FBI slaps handcuffs on a Twitter CxO and hauls him off to jail, do not expect Twitter to send in their Marine Corps.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by DoreenMichele »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #47
DoreenMichele wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not asking Twitter to protect him from murder. He's asking them to do their damn job so the platform cannot be used to facilitate a smear campaign that makes it easy to get away with murder. It's a very reasonable request.

I have a very low opinion of twitter and certainly wish they'd do a better job. But the premise of twitter as a shield against state-sponsored kidnapping or murder seems flimsy at best.

That's not the premise. This kind of bullshit is exactly how disempowered groups get painted into a corner.

Sexual assault doesn't typically begin with violent rape. It ends there.

It begins with a million small forms of disrespect.

Political crap follows the same pattern.

If you think it doesn't fucking matter, what the hell do you care how this goes? It matters to him. If you don't care, what's wrong with saying "Twitter should simply do its job, man!"

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by unixbane »

powerhour wrote: post #41
unixbane wrote: post #33

Yes yes, we're all gonna die because people are allowed to post on the internet. Decentralized messaging platforms should be illegal because they can't be moderated. You should only be able to host an internet service with a license and yearly federal inspections to make sure you're properly storing and backing up accountability logs of all users. > blah blah blah there are insane people in my country who will kill p…

> There is a solution to this: going to jail for murder. Couldn't we find a solution that doesn't require the violent death of a person?

Yes and requiring moderation on internet forums is not one of them. It will stop 0.00001% of cases, while growing malpolicing (especially non useful police who demand more mircrojustice to keep their comfy pay coming in) proportionally with it.

This reminds me of HN. You get banned if you say a bad word. You get banned eventually no matter what unless you're a white collar self censored silicon valley drone with ultra-safe opinions like "the C language should be deprecated after a mere 70 years". You get rate limited if you get too many downvotes in the given time slot. Random IPs are blocked for no reason and the login screen is just a blank page. You get shadowbanned so you don't even know you're banned. All for basically nothing, as HN is basically like 2000s forums but with slightly better discourse and consistency of moderation (and worse in other ways).

This idea that we should have some sort of epidemiologically correct moderation policy on the internet is also bullshit. Moderation on the internet started off as, annoying, childish, 40 year old sysadmins who ban anyone they don't like, SJWs who ban anyone who is "the enemy", right wing equivalent of SJWs who do the same thing, rule fetishists (people in the UK who think insulting the queen or showing the middle finger should be illegal), etc. The idea started off with these selfish / idiotic reasons. Once questioned, they are forced into a corner where they can only rationalize moderation as an epidemiological tool. "Yeah, if we just delete these 1 million posts it's a net gain".

The only reason lack of moderation on big copmany's websites even come up is because they're big companies and they have egg on their face for any slight mishap (or what public perceives as a mishap). It's the most stupid fucking shit.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by didibus »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #47
DoreenMichele wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not asking Twitter to protect him from murder. He's asking them to do their damn job so the platform cannot be used to facilitate a smear campaign that makes it easy to get away with murder. It's a very reasonable request.

I have a very low opinion of twitter and certainly wish they'd do a better job. But the premise of twitter as a shield against state-sponsored kidnapping or murder seems flimsy at best.

The premise seems more about how easily Twitter can be used to support a coup, suppress journalistic voice, oppress people, and push propaganda.

I don't know if without Twitter all this would be just as easy, through state controlled media, but what I do know is that Twitter could actually be a tool against this, but is failing to be.

Having a popular media outlet that cannot be coopted for propaganda and used for oppression or harm would be a great thing. Twitter clearly failed to be this, and maybe fails really bad at it where it seems like it could easily be a bit better at it.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by ricardobeat »

hackerlight wrote: post #35
ricardobeat wrote: post #20

I can see where he’s coming from, but Twitter is a media company. They are not directly responsible for anyone’s safety and have no reason to take down content that isn’t a direct threat or clear defamation. That’s the police or justice system’s job. An unfortunate situation but he is barking at the wrong tree it seems.

Nope, it isn't the police or justice system's job. That's a corporation externalizing the cost of their customer service division onto the taxpayer. Australia for example spends millions of dollars on online safety enforcement because these tech companies refuse to hire real people to remove revenge porn, impersonation, and so on.

That’s not right. The corporation’s job is to follow the law and abide to court orders. Identifying and prosecuting harassers is not “customer service”. If you take customer’s claims at face value what you get is people misusing the system to harass or silence even more people.

They should immediately act on takedown notices, for example in the case of revenge porn, but are not a private replacement for law enforcement.

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by QuantumGood »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #47
DoreenMichele wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not asking Twitter to protect him from murder. He's asking them to do their damn job so the platform cannot be used to facilitate a smear campaign that makes it easy to get away with murder. It's a very reasonable request.

I have a very low opinion of twitter and certainly wish they'd do a better job. But the premise of twitter as a shield against state-sponsored kidnapping or murder seems flimsy at best.

Isn't there a word for the fallacy that something can improve a situation and should, but because it can't solve it we should ignore that it's improvement is important ethically?

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by CoastalCoder »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #29

Being realistic: if your life hangs by the thread of twitter moderation, you should either run and hide, or get your affairs in order. If they really want you dead, even the best possible twitter moderation won't keep you safe. This whole circumstance of people wanting you dead is not twitters fault and there is very little twitter could do to protect you even if their moderation was perfect.

> Being realistic: if your life hangs by the thread of twitter moderation, you should either run and hide, or get your affairs in order.

Perhaps a 3rd option is to go on the attack, and find some angle from which to sue Twitter?

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

waqasx wrote: post #17
dcow wrote: post #14

This really sucks to hear. What’s unclear to me is whether Twitter is being negligent or abnormal here or whether this is just shitty world politics unfolding partly on Twitter. Twitter is being used by both sides to fight over a narrative. Nothing new in that respect. The author doesn't really propose a solution other than Twitter essentially siding with him and take (what appears to me to be) a political stance. Of…

I dont want political asylum because of many reasons, i have my parents and my family back home. I am not asking Twitter to side with me, you have read my post, you can clearly see that misinfo is being spread about me. These are verifiable lies. They are verifiably dangerous after basic scrutiny, i am asking Twitter to do their job that they already claim that they do. That is provide a space that is safer from hara…

If not on Twitter, won't these lies be spread elsewhere?

It sounds like you believe you're in real danger. If so, you have bigger problems.

You mention the comedian and the journalist, and you try to paint this as a giant conspiracy. But what you've laid out in the article seems like it could easily just be people being morons and taking the government's word for everything.

You also don't even mention what you want Twitter to actually do.

Are they supposed to ban those accounts? Are they supposed to label those Tweets as untrue?

While this sounds like an improvement - and probably what they should do - I don't see how this actually helps with your larger problem of potential life and death...

Re: They're trying to get me kidnapped and tortured, but Twitter doesn't care

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Post by MichaelCollins »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #58
MichaelCollins wrote: post #29

Being realistic: if your life hangs by the thread of twitter moderation, you should either run and hide, or get your affairs in order. If they really want you dead, even the best possible twitter moderation won't keep you safe. This whole circumstance of people wanting you dead is not twitters fault and there is very little twitter could do to protect you even if their moderation was perfect.

> Being realistic: if your life hangs by the thread of twitter moderation, you should either run and hide, or get your affairs in order. Perhaps a 3rd option is to go on the attack, and find some angle from which to sue Twitter?

That won't solve the problem of people wanting him dead.
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