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Re: My Lack of Attention

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Post by HWR_14 »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #30
bruce511 wrote: post #7

So here's the thing. It takes work and effort to get attention. "if you build it, they will come". Never has one cliche been so exactly wrong. Programmers, myself included, believe(d) that the code is the product. That the code will speak for itself. That being "better" (for some definition of better) is enough. If I build it, they will come. The truth though, the code is about 10% of the effort to make a successful…

"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all." It's true that effort helps success, and working for visibility is as important as working on making something great. But sometimes life is just arbitrary. Anyone who has w…

> Unfair? Unjust? Not really

I'm not sure why you think that's neither unjust nor unfair. All you said is "it's random". I'm not sure why "it's random" implies it's not unfair or unjust.

Re: My Lack of Attention

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Post by aoanla »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #45
watwut wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, it is not correct statement about all social animals. And second, hierarchical organization does not mean at all quality is on top.

Which social animal does not organize into a hierarchy? Social animals organize into hierarchies precisely because hierarchies bubble quality to the top.

The difficulty with this argument is what we mean by "quality". It's tautological to state that hierarchies select for "qualities that enable you to be higher on the hierarchy"; it's much more debatable as to the nature of those qualities (and, indeed, that the existence of the hierarchy itself doesn't change the fitness surface, so that the advantageous qualities are different to what they might have been without it). See, eg, the amount of energy antlered deer (especially males) expend on having large, healthy antlers, purely to compete with other male deer. "Having large antlers" is a "quality" that has very little adaptive value outside of the conditions created by the fact of a hierarchy itself.

Re: My Lack of Attention

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Post by Lurkars »

andai wrote: post #47
Lurkars wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I think you're totally right. That doesn't change the fact, that I just really don't like marketing and don't want to invest the time. Of course it's naive and not totally right, but to some point I would say, I am immune to advertising. If I need something, I do research if there is something valuable. If someone wants to sell me something, in the end I am even more skeptical about the product. Anyways, I didn't…

In the last paragraph I think lies the key: attention makes you uncomfortable? So it sounds like you have an internal conflict where you both want and don't want attention at the same time. Maybe I am similar, I am very reluctant to promote my work, I don't want too much attention. I actually briefly worked a job doing social media marketing where it was my job to create attention grabbing content. I had some moderat…

From my understanding, I won't say about myself that I am an introvert. Like I don't feel uncomfortable on a stage or talking to people. It's more like I just don't have a need to stay in focus or like getting much attention. That's maybe part of the problem too. Like someone else mentioned, you cannot seperate completely the attention of my project from my person, but I would like to. So it's not directly that I am uncomfortable with attention. But first of all I think one have to deserve it. It's often the problem, like the loudest get more attention, besides they shouldn't get it. Difficult to say all, most comments pointed more the problem out: I am really in between, like to want attention and on the other side not.

Re: My Lack of Attention

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Post by neongreen »

Relatable.

I have the same problem, except it's not "I'm jealous that somebody gets more attention" but rather "I don't get attention and I have no idea how to change that". Doesn't looks like I'm the only person with this kind of issue, either.

I often see high-effort blog posts with, like, one or two comments under each post. Sometimes none at all.

To give a related example: https://twitter.com/tom7 does super high effort funny things for SIGBOVIK — e.g. see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDxjbXAqTPg — and yet his personal blog of 20 years at http://radar.spacebar.org/ has at most 5–10 comments per post.

I used to have 500 followers on Twitter and they would respond to things sometimes/often... and even then I felt like the attention would be very lukewarm. In the end I gave up, deleted the account, and decided that I'm just not going to rely on strangers for attention at all. I still think it's possible, it's just that I personally either don't know how to do it, or have some kind of a background issue (ADHD? anxiety? attachment issues? something else starting with A?) that prevents me from somehow asking for attention naturally/consistently. At least that's my current theory.

Eh.

Re: My Lack of Attention

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Post by Lurkars »

thargor90 wrote: post #50
Lurkars wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is the statement from Esoteric Games to the story: http://esotericsoftware.com/gloomhaven-helper They declined to create a FH app and Cephalofair declined then to make any more money with GHH. So it was shut down.

that is very sad. I would not have thought that Isaac would react in that way. Communication on the Frosthaven updates did not sound like that. Gloomhaven helper was a high quality product and improved playability by a lot. Esoteric games did Cephalofair a great service. Sad to see it end this way.

It's only one side of the discussion represented here. There are some more impeachments on both sides. All in all, from all I know it seemed just like really bad communication in both sides.

Some say, it was also a bad move to just remove GHH, it could have stay online for free or released as OSS. I am not here to judge, I just hope my Gloomhaven Secretary will be a good successor. We used this app too. Now I can easily add my own improvements ideas and also make some community members happy with implementing their feedback by developing my own app.

Re: My Lack of Attention

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Post by winnit »

HWR_14 wrote: post #51
nonrandomstring wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all." It's true that effort helps success, and working for visibility is as important as working on making something great. But sometimes life is just arbitrary. Anyone who has w…

> Unfair? Unjust? Not really I'm not sure why you think that's neither unjust nor unfair. All you said is "it's random". I'm not sure why "it's random" implies it's not unfair or unjust.

That depends whether you consider things must either be just or unjust or whether they can simply not be just, without being an injustice.

Re: My Lack of Attention

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Post by pc86 »

HWR_14 wrote: post #51
nonrandomstring wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all." It's true that effort helps success, and working for visibility is as important as working on making something great. But sometimes life is just arbitrary. Anyone who has w…

> Unfair? Unjust? Not really I'm not sure why you think that's neither unjust nor unfair. All you said is "it's random". I'm not sure why "it's random" implies it's not unfair or unjust.

The randomness of life is only unfair or unjust if you deserve fame and accolades proportional to your effort simply because you put the effort in. You don't.

Re: My Lack of Attention

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Post by suoduandao2 »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #30
bruce511 wrote: post #7

So here's the thing. It takes work and effort to get attention. "if you build it, they will come". Never has one cliche been so exactly wrong. Programmers, myself included, believe(d) that the code is the product. That the code will speak for itself. That being "better" (for some definition of better) is enough. If I build it, they will come. The truth though, the code is about 10% of the effort to make a successful…

"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all." It's true that effort helps success, and working for visibility is as important as working on making something great. But sometimes life is just arbitrary. Anyone who has w…

Right, but you can't jump to the top of the charts without sticking the donk on the boing first (I assume that means uploading an original track?). I've seen a lot of references to the role luck plays in success, and I don't mean to diminish that role, but you can't get lucky without putting yourself out there. Sticking a donk on a boing takes real effort, as does any other 'shot on net' that one might take.

Re: My Lack of Attention

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Post by giantg2 »

My stuff gets zero attention. I also think most stuff isn't worth giving my attention to (either overhyped, not useful/interesting, etc). Sad to say, but my junk is probably not worthy of attention either.

I'm fine with that. If people find it useful - great. I'm not going to spend money marketing free software. I do sympathize with the feeling of "that piece of crap got attention, but mine didn’t?", but that's just life.

Re: My Lack of Attention

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Post by rizpanjwani »

suoduandao2 wrote: post #58
nonrandomstring wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all." It's true that effort helps success, and working for visibility is as important as working on making something great. But sometimes life is just arbitrary. Anyone who has w…

Right, but you can't jump to the top of the charts without sticking the donk on the boing first (I assume that means uploading an original track?). I've seen a lot of references to the role luck plays in success, and I don't mean to diminish that role, but you can't get lucky without putting yourself out there. Sticking a donk on a boing takes real effort, as does any other 'shot on net' that one might take.

You can’t win the lottery without buying it first but still a lottery is a lottery…
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