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Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Power issues in Europe will be big enough going into the winter that the few German nuclear power plants will likely the least of our issues.

"We are going to have a severe lack of energy, so shutting down nuclear power plants is likely the least of our issues"? I'm afraid I don't follow the logic here.

Homes are heated with gas, not with nuclear power. Industrial processes run on gas, not on nuclear power.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

#52
> But the ban will not apply if the light emitted by displays is required to maintain traffic safety or ward off other hazards, and it cannot be replaced by other measures at short notice.

So even the signs indicating what time the next bus comes would not be allowed?

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

#53

Here in Germany, there was recently a leak in the news. It said that a single LED sign consumes as much energy as 10 single households[0]. Of course, the companies don't want to give any official information. That is pretty high for no real value for society in my opinion... [0] https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/technologie/led-reklame...

I'm quite sure brand advertisers will not concur.

And they can go fuck off if they don't.

We're in a crisis and they want to waste energy we might need for heating households to manipulate people into buying shit they don't need?

That's not exactly a position that'll get them a lot of sympathy.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

#54
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To be fair, the problem with nuclear power in Germany is bigger than that the existing nuclear plants are being shut down. It's actually a good idea to shut them down eventually as they're old and inefficient. Calling them "fully functioning" is a bit of a rose tinted glasses type of situation.

The bigger problem is that Germany doesn't have any more recent nuclear power plants due to public pressure and instead just extended the lifetimes of the existing ones for decades to compensate. We could have built better and SAFER nuclear power plants but because that would have lost voters we instead had to extend the lifetimes again and again.

All polluting industries have their own tactics to deflect public attention. In Germany coal succeeded at deflecting that attention towards nuclear. The Ruhr region has a romanticized nostalgia for its history of coal mining whereas most people associate nuclear power with Chernobyl (or more recently Fukushima, which really just culturally echoed the existing memories of Chernobyl), the nuclear bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima and the threat of global thermonuclear war while being smack in the middle of the Iron Curtain (almost literally, with the Berlin Wall separating both sides of the conflict).

I don't know to what extent the coal industry is actually involved in this, but there is an almost patriotic attitude towards coal plants in contrast with the horrified panic surrounding nuclear. Meanwhile solar is mostly seen as a way to cut down on electric bills by installing pannels on your own roof and wind power is a "blight on the countryside" and "health risk" (because of noise pollution, strobing shadows and of course killing migratory birds). Some of this seems to be finally changing but the "man on the street" will likely still prefer coal over all other forms of energy for no good reason.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

#55

How much electricity can plausibly be saved this way? And how does that compare to the energy required to reprogram and possibly renew all these signs?

Digital billboards use thousands of watts, overall, that's several times the energy consumption of a typical household, the power bill is thousands of euros a year.

So I guess that's worth it, even if some additional hardware is required.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

#56
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At first I loved LED street lights because I could see so much better by them (and I presume that they have an increased deterrent effect on crime though I have not checked this). These days I think disrupting wildlife is more important than human safety and I wish we could get rid of nearly all street lighting.

I wonder if the ubiquitousness of people carrying flashlights in the form of smartphones could be leveraged into doing away with street lights as an expected practice. I don't think I would actually support that, but I think that kind of shift in culture is a possibility right now.

It can, but one would need a bit of a ettiquette to not point it into other people's faces. Pretty sure some people would use headlamps if it was necessary for everyone to bring their light source and that is plenty annoying.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

#57
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bigger problems in Germany are the lack of big power lines between the North and South and of course the reluctance to build more wind energy. Especially Bavaria has been shooting its own feet several times, even built a gas power station a few years back and now it's in a bit of a panic...

You cannot power a country with wind power alone. Even if you want to build wind turbines, you need nuclear, gas, or coal to back them up.

This isn't true.

You could even power the world just from renewables

https://innovationorigins.com/en/researchers-agree-the-world...

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

#58

Here in Germany, there was recently a leak in the news. It said that a single LED sign consumes as much energy as 10 single households[0]. Of course, the companies don't want to give any official information. That is pretty high for no real value for society in my opinion... [0] https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/technologie/led-reklame...

I'm quite sure brand advertisers will not concur.

Of course, this is why the law is needed.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

#60

Here in Germany, there was recently a leak in the news. It said that a single LED sign consumes as much energy as 10 single households[0]. Of course, the companies don't want to give any official information. That is pretty high for no real value for society in my opinion... [0] https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/technologie/led-reklame...

I'm quite sure brand advertisers will not concur.

Of course. Same with tobacco and oil companies working against transparency for smoke health risks and climate change.
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