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Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by 57FkMytWjyFu »

joshstrange wrote: post #50
57FkMytWjyFu wrote: post #48

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It's salty because it's made up worry. What does CarPlay have to do with DRM? DRM isn't mentioned once in that link and I have no clue what point you are trying to make.

Can you play your own purchased music easily with an aux cable like we've been doing for decades? People have been making mix tapes for 40 years. Now you can't do that unless you listen to the track of the day and the promo for the new arsenal of podcasts, and did you know that french fries taste good and they are 300 meters to your west?

I want to listen to what I want to listen to. They want us to listen to what is most profitable.

DRM keeps me from playing my files. It treats them like viruses. It extends the walled garden to choose what art I'm allowed to appreciate.

It's not rights management, it's restriction. The name is a lie.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by 57FkMytWjyFu »

joshstrange wrote: post #41
tanseydavid wrote: post #31

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Considering only the size of the discarded item(s) hardly covers the entire waste scenario.

Fine, consider the entire "cost" of manufacturing, shipping, etc. I'd wager my 1 pair of AirPods is hilariously tiny verses what some companies do in a hour if not a few minutes. Framing this as an environmental issue is just ridiculous. It's the same BS behind oil companies trying to convince people that not recycling is the big issue, not them.

Way to miss the point. You're going to use a lot more than 1 pair, Buster!

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by 57FkMytWjyFu »

joshstrange wrote: post #26
57FkMytWjyFu wrote: post #2

According to Apple it might be. But we aren't asking any end users in the article, because screw them, right? Anything that enables the environmental irresponsibility of AirPods is only "right" from the perspective of the shareholder. Certainly not the species.

> Anything that enables the environmental irresponsibility of AirPods is only "right" from the perspective of the shareholder. Spare me. Companies are busy dumping waste all over this planet and you want me to care about something the size of 2 grapes?

Yes, I would care very much about 2 grapes if it cost me 150 bones and 30 minutes to replace them.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by joshstrange »

57FkMytWjyFu wrote: post #51
joshstrange wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's salty because it's made up worry. What does CarPlay have to do with DRM? DRM isn't mentioned once in that link and I have no clue what point you are trying to make.

Can you play your own purchased music easily with an aux cable like we've been doing for decades? People have been making mix tapes for 40 years. Now you can't do that unless you listen to the track of the day and the promo for the new arsenal of podcasts, and did you know that french fries taste good and they are 300 meters to your west? I want to listen to what I want to listen to. They want us to listen to what is…

Seriously, what are you even talking about?

If you put your music in the Music app or any other app that supports CarPlay you can play it. CarPlay is not required, it's always an "also" in cars. You can always Bluetooth to the car or buy a car that has an aux port. I'm thoroughly confused as to why you think CarPlay is DRM or what that has to do with Bluetooth in this discussion.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by nkotov »

I love having AirPods Pro. Super easy, seems to just work™. Where I have issues with connecting to vehicles.

I have a pickup truck that has bluetooth and a 3.5mm jack. The problem is that when I start the truck, it takes about a minute for it to connect to my iPhone. While it's connecting, it's playing FM radio extremely loud. It's gotten to the point now where I just gave up on bluetooth and use a permanent dongle to 3.5mm just so that I don't have to deal with bluetooth.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by joshstrange »

57FkMytWjyFu wrote: post #52
joshstrange wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fine, consider the entire "cost" of manufacturing, shipping, etc. I'd wager my 1 pair of AirPods is hilariously tiny verses what some companies do in a hour if not a few minutes. Framing this as an environmental issue is just ridiculous. It's the same BS behind oil companies trying to convince people that not recycling is the big issue, not them.

Way to miss the point. You're going to use a lot more than 1 pair, Buster!

Oh the humanity! I cannot take people like you seriously. I could by 100 pairs and still do considerably less damage than some companies do in the time it takes me to check out.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by hotpotamus »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #10

Surely even people who love Apple a lot must realize that this is is just propaganda, right? "Apple was right all along, says Apple"

What's funny is that I'm far from an Apple lover and I could be accused of being a shill for removing the headphone jack. I was initially skeptical, but it forced me onto bluetooth headsets which had come a long way up to that point. I listen to podcasts quite a lot, and I'd often snag the cord on door handles (it's amazing how catchy that cable could be), and audio quality isn't a huge factor. So overall it was a good change for me.

I feel the opposite about touchid if it matters. Honestly it seems forgotten, but I much prefer the intentionality of touching my phone in order to unlock it as well as having a physical home button.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by tunap »

joshstrange wrote: post #42
tunap wrote: post #29

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6: DRM control over what the user can/cannot listen to.

> 6: DRM control over what the user can/cannot listen to. Do you have a real example of this? Because this sounds like BS.

Believe it, or not.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/09/analog-last-defense-ag...

edit: removed unnecessary words.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by Spivakov »

joshstrange wrote: post #43
glennvtx wrote: post #20

1: I do not wish to charge my headphones. 2: I have many headphones with higher quality sound than earbuds can provide. 3: Bluetooth still kinda sucks, even after all this time. 4: Bluetooth is subject to denial of service, security concerns. 5: Apple's purpose with the decision was to increase revenue, that is all. You all are now paying $$$ for headphones with batteries, etc. onboard, and they no longer had to impl…

> 1: I do not wish to charge my headphones. Then use the dongle > 2: I have many headphones with higher quality sound than earbuds can provide. Then use the dongle > 3: Bluetooth still kinda sucks, even after all this time. Then use the dongle > 4: Bluetooth is subject to denial of service, security concerns. Ok suuurrreee, then use the dongle > 5: Apple's purpose with the decision was to increase revenue, that is al…

I think your comment would be better if you simply suggest using dongle.

Re: Seven years later, Apple was right to kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack

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Post by dev_tty01 »

dmz73 wrote: post #46

Apple charges more for less and their users line up to pay instead of walking away. As long as this keeps happening, Apple will keep taking away and gouging their users. People are stupid and gullible so I think Apple is doing the right thing here - fleece the sheep while they keep coming. The main downside is that other companies observe this behaviour and try to emulate it but that doesn't work because people who a…

So, I guess there is no possibility that their hundreds of millions of customers recognize that they are paying more for more? I guess all of us are just idiots. Markets don't work that way. Over time unsatisfied customers change the market dynamic. That hasn't happened. Perhaps you should reevaluate your criteria for determining "more" and "less" in terms of product value to the consumer.
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