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Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by lotsofpulp »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #40
ejb999 wrote: post #12

I don't really see the point - impressed that they offered it, but how many people truly need it? I have 1G symmetric FTTH internet, the bottleneck is still the services I want to access at the other end - really makes no difference how much faster the pipe is, if the service you are using can't keep up. Will some people benefit?? sure - a handful of power users doing massive uploads and downloads for commercial purp…

> I don't really see the point - impressed that they offered it, but how many people truly need it? Can you imagine the types of applications this would enable if everyone had a 25gbps connection? An Xbox could have a 200GB hard drive. Want to play a different game? Just wait a few seconds, we'll download the latest 150GB Call of Duty.

More important is high quality high upload bandwidth not hidden behind CGNAT. We could actually move away from having to depend on Microsoft/Apple/Google/Amazon servers to host and deliver personal content.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by Havoc »

mmaunder wrote: post #31

Cool, but try to get 25Gbps on your mac. It's tough. We have our own 10 gig symmetrical fiber backbone connection and wanted 25Gbps on a mac in our film production facility. Thunderbolt maxes out at 40Gbps so you're already close to the max data transfer rate for a peripheral. We had to use ATTO's hardware which is bulky, a pain to configure on a macbook (you need to bond two interfaces) and honestly most of the time…

>USB-C maxes out at 10 Gbps

Lower. I've got a 5gbps usb-c adapter...ends up being more like 3.5. And like 4x the price of a 2.5 dongle

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by laurencerowe »

exq wrote: post #27
ejb999 wrote: post #12

I don't really see the point - impressed that they offered it, but how many people truly need it? I have 1G symmetric FTTH internet, the bottleneck is still the services I want to access at the other end - really makes no difference how much faster the pipe is, if the service you are using can't keep up. Will some people benefit?? sure - a handful of power users doing massive uploads and downloads for commercial purp…

20 years ago you'd have said the same thing about dsl to broadband, and if everyone had that same mentality, Netflix would still be mailing dvds and not offering 4k streaming. Innovation is good.

I think the difference is that 20 years Gbit ethernet was becoming standard issue on desktops while even 10Gbit ethernet is still pretty rare outside of the data centre and switch uplinks today.

25Gbit internet will be great for schools, libraries, and offices with multiple users but it's going to be a while before it becomes relevant for individual homes.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by mindslight »

runako wrote: post #20

No wonder Comcast has been very active in lobbying to prevent other utilities from providing Internet[1]. 1 - https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/1/8530403/chattanooga-comcas...

The problem with municipal Internet is the town will build it out once, and then never upgrade the technology while it slowly becomes obsolete .

Seriously though, municipal fiber is fantastic. I've been an observer to friends having conversations about Internet provider woes, while I just sit there shaking my head. I've only got 1Gb but I rarely care about the bandwidth, consistent <15ms ping to close data centers, there's no data quotas, no yearly fuckery where they dick you around with the price and you have to wait on hold to threaten to cancel and commit to a longer term, and I haven't noticed any downtime in years. It just works.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by 8f2ab37a-ed6c »

atwebb wrote: post #46
r00fus wrote: post #9

Wow this reads like an announcement from a different timeline (like the one that was promised when fiber was promoted in the early 2000s). 25Gb/s symmetric? In the middle of Tennessee? Meanwhile I have traffic-shaped Comcast and no fiber in sight in Silicon Valley.

This has been going on for a while, comments like this and the recent Tennessean article/debacle are a bit eye opening to the naivety of technology and accomplishments outside of major hubs.

Let me tell you the story of CA attempting to build high speed rail..

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by ghaff »

Xeoncross wrote: post #45
elfatizer wrote: post #15

When we bought a house, the best one ended up being literally a couple miles outside of EPB's service area and I had to switch to Comcast. I see their billboard every time I drive home, just to rub salt in the wound.

I love how so many companies offer work-from-home now as you can literally work from anywhere in the world as long as it's only in a major city with a high bandwidth connection.

That is really not true. For most people modest speed connections are fine for working. Starlink certainly be sufficient in general.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by squeaky-clean »

reillyse wrote: post #41
ejb999 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

its weird, I live in a tiny little town with about 400 households and I now have access to 1G symmetrical fiber for about $80/month - but we (the town) had to pay for the fiber build out with increases taxes and user fees...well worth it in my case. I would have been OK with only Comcast as previously it was just 3Mb Verizon DSL for almost my entire WFH career (20+ years).

A cynical person might say that large telecoms company aren’t interested in monopolizing your market and so you are free. I’m astounded by how bad/expensive my internet is in massive cities that should be easy to connect. I live in an apartment in LA and have very few options. I lived in a loft in downtown before (5 years ago) and the building only allowed DSL. I have a business connection in Portland and pay around…

I'm in Brooklyn by prospect park and only have 1 ISP choice for my apartment. And it's coax based, so every plan caps at 20Mbs upload. It's that or satellite internet. I miss having fiber.

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Post by alexdumitru »

geerlingguy wrote: post #13
ejb999 wrote: post #12

I don't really see the point - impressed that they offered it, but how many people truly need it? I have 1G symmetric FTTH internet, the bottleneck is still the services I want to access at the other end - really makes no difference how much faster the pipe is, if the service you are using can't keep up. Will some people benefit?? sure - a handful of power users doing massive uploads and downloads for commercial purp…

That's the maximum, right? I would imagine they have plans from sub-gigabit up to 25G. I know I'd absolutely love the option of 10G for a reasonable price (thousand(s)?). Heck, I'd be overjoyed to get symmetrical 100 Mbps, and I'd gladly pay a few hundred for it. Meanwhile my Dad has 500/500 AT&T Fiber, and he pays half what I pay for 930/35 Charter Spectrum cable :(

Thousands? In Romania you can get 10G for just a bit over $10. 1G is $8 and 500M is $6.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by dweekly »

I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here.

I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically support 10GbaseT/SFP+, 2.5G/5G switches aren't broadly available and commodified (e.g. UniFi has limited offerings here) and WiFi6E is still mid-rollout (almost no client devices currently in market yet) meaning that clients can't reasonably expect >1gbps of goodput, even with a good link from a modern device to a modern AP. Then there's flakiness: when things get hot in my garage, my 10G switch just stops working. My Thunderbolt-to-10GbaseT adapter for my MacBook runs very hot. Lots of sharp edges here.

The more consumers are buying 10G equipment for their 10G home links, the faster prices will come down and reliability will come up - not just for 10G but also for 2.5G/5G equipment. Hats off to EPB for paving the way for 25G and keeping vendors diligent in mapping out the next generation of their equipment.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Post by lotsofpulp »

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #55
atwebb wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been going on for a while, comments like this and the recent Tennessean article/debacle are a bit eye opening to the naivety of technology and accomplishments outside of major hubs.

Let me tell you the story of CA attempting to build high speed rail..

Why would a story about building high speed rail be relevant to installing fiber adjacent to existing utilities?
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