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Mercedes and Ferrari’s edge in the electric car age: high-end axial motors

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Re: Mercedes and Ferrari’s edge in the electric car age: high-end axial motors

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According to that article, that car isn't available yet and is only going to made in extremely limited numbers.

And? How many people do you think buy high performance cars? The answer is: not many.

Ridiculous. Just walk around the Bay area and see for yourself.

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The idea of a motor on each wheel independent has obviously been considered, but what is often ignored is the sprung vs unsprung weight. You could develop a pretty amazing off-road vehicle with independent electric motors in each wheel, but it would be a relatively bumpy ride.

> You could develop a pretty amazing off-road vehicle with independent electric motors in each wheel, but it would be a relatively bumpy ride. Military EV prototypes are considering wheels-in-hubs, because they have complex suspension and because of under-armour, but yeah it means the motor is basically un-suspended.

sprung vs unsprung is a ratio.

These vehicles are likely heavy enough that electric motors in the wheels might not change that ratio much.

And swap/repair would be convenient!

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Climate change reports are all pretty clear we need to move to smaller, less powerful cars to meet our climate pledges. And produce less of them. I think starting to see cars as a simple mean to go from A to B instead of a symbol of freedom, status or virility would really be a huge win. I also hope that on the long run it would help more city dwellers accept the idea of sharing cars instead of owning one. Collective…

I don't have a "climate pledge", nor do I need to move to a smaller or less powerful car or demand that anybody else change their lifestyle. What I will do is keep an eye on what the ultra-rich "experts" who seem to be most concerned about climate change do. When they give up their mansions and yachts and islands and private jets, eat bugs and teleconference to Bilderberg, that's when I might reconsider my lifestyle.…

> ultra-rich "experts"

I don’t think climatologists are in the pay grade to afford super yachts

Re: Mercedes and Ferrari’s edge in the electric car age: high-end axial motors

#54

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According to that article, that car isn't available yet and is only going to made in extremely limited numbers.

And? How many people do you think buy high performance cars? The answer is: not many.

Someone said

> the Plaid is still the fastest car you can buy without dropping a half million

And you said:

> Nope: https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/19/23312956/lucid-air-sapphi...

Except you can't actually buy the car you linked to. That's a pretty big miss in a conversation about cars you can buy. In fact, I would say one of the two defining features of "cars you can buy" is the fact that you can buy them.

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Climate change reports are all pretty clear we need to move to smaller, less powerful cars to meet our climate pledges. And produce less of them. I think starting to see cars as a simple mean to go from A to B instead of a symbol of freedom, status or virility would really be a huge win. I also hope that on the long run it would help more city dwellers accept the idea of sharing cars instead of owning one. Collective…

I don't have a "climate pledge", nor do I need to move to a smaller or less powerful car or demand that anybody else change their lifestyle. What I will do is keep an eye on what the ultra-rich "experts" who seem to be most concerned about climate change do. When they give up their mansions and yachts and islands and private jets, eat bugs and teleconference to Bilderberg, that's when I might reconsider my lifestyle.…

I was driving along E80 from Nice to Genoa once, in a fairly standard diesel stick Audi A4 rental. I drove fairly normally at start, but then many cars kept passing me and in a typical Italian fashion with plenty of directional signals.

There was no consistency, sometimes they would indicate right seemingly to suggest they want to pass, sometimes they indicate left seemingly suggesting the other car to move aside, but I digress.

Since I have bit of a way to go (Innsbruck) and I was a hot headed young man I decided to follow one of the cars that zoomed past me. I think the speed limit was 120km/hr or 130km/hr, but they were passing me at such speed suggesting they were going at least 190km/hr or more.

So I let my throttle wide open through many tunnels and followed these faster cars. There were many other cars travelling under the speed limit, but I was flying with the faster crowd.

After a while I've realised something, all these faster cars were pretty darn flash. Porsche GT3, Lambos, Ferraris, and then I realised, them getting speed tickets might not mean a thing, but me in a rental just there on a honeymoon have better things to spend my money on. So I slowed down and disappear into the slower crowd.

Re: Mercedes and Ferrari’s edge in the electric car age: high-end axial motors

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Why do EVs of the current age look so douchie? I wouldn't be caught dead in one. Tesla model S, X, and Y. All Lucid models. Mercedes and Ferraris. Why can't they look neutral? I want low-key, efficient, safe, and functional. And ideally more than 35 American miles of range.

Volvo/VW/Mazda/Honda/Nissan all make EVs too, and they all look pretty normal to me... XC40 or C40 are probably what you're after? look just like any old matchbox cars..

Re: Mercedes and Ferrari’s edge in the electric car age: high-end axial motors

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I saw an E-Mercedes in my neighborhood today. It was half minivan, half future, with a full plastic front, mostly transparent with no ventilation. What the heck, just.. why? I experienced a visceral negative reaction, like seeing a stillborn child. What are the people who make and purchase these physical atrocities thinking? How do they sleep at night?

I don’t know what ‘half future’ means. But they have plastic fronts for pedestrian crash safety and they can be full plastic unlike normal cars because they don’t need radiators. Same for ventilation - they don’t need cooling so no ventilation.

I wish I'd taken a picture. Pretty sure you'd agree and despise what's coming off the line.

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I don't have a "climate pledge", nor do I need to move to a smaller or less powerful car or demand that anybody else change their lifestyle. What I will do is keep an eye on what the ultra-rich "experts" who seem to be most concerned about climate change do. When they give up their mansions and yachts and islands and private jets, eat bugs and teleconference to Bilderberg, that's when I might reconsider my lifestyle.…

Yes, the best way to respond to a collective problem is wait for everyone else to do their part.

Not as hardcore as throwawaylinux about it but I can understand the idea of:

- why am I voluntarily restricting what I can do so that others can have more leeway to do whatever they want?

For my part, I ride a motorbike. I enjoy it, it uses less fuel, running costs etc than most cars. But I am not going to give it up while my neighbour's family in their multimillion dollar mansion drives 3x 2 ton+ SUVs around.

A work colleague of mine bought a Dodge RAM 2500. To tow his boat and carry his multiple dirt bikes.

I ignore people asking me to do more now. I do enough. Go after the worst offenders first.

Re: Mercedes and Ferrari’s edge in the electric car age: high-end axial motors

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post #49

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I don't have a "climate pledge", nor do I need to move to a smaller or less powerful car or demand that anybody else change their lifestyle. What I will do is keep an eye on what the ultra-rich "experts" who seem to be most concerned about climate change do. When they give up their mansions and yachts and islands and private jets, eat bugs and teleconference to Bilderberg, that's when I might reconsider my lifestyle.…

I think among the ultra rich are very, very few climate experts and someone can be a hypocrite regarding their lifestyle while being correct about the need for change. People are local optimization machines and one can know that there is a great danger lurking in the future whilst over dosing on consumption.

> I think among the ultra rich are very, very few climate experts

They are far better informed and advised by experts in climate than you or I though.

Also one can not just be an expert in climate science. A climate scientist could tell you the effect of increasing CO2 concentration in the atmosphere on the climate. They can not tell you the social and economic cost of that, or the best and most efficient technologies or social and economic strategies should be to address this problem. That requires a whole cohort of experts from all different fields.

And that is where the ruling class -- our betters -- have so much information and clarity that we can not hope to match.

> and someone can be a hypocrite regarding their lifestyle while being correct about the need for change. People are local optimization machines and one can know that there is a great danger lurking in the future whilst over dosing on consumption.

If that's the case and they are hypocrites who do not in fact consider themselves as being all in it together with the commoners, and they are not actually acting for the greater good, then it's even simpler: I won't listen to anything they have to say because we can assume it's all selfish lies. Which leaves me at the same place.

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Why?

Climate change reports are all pretty clear we need to move to smaller, less powerful cars to meet our climate pledges. And produce less of them. I think starting to see cars as a simple mean to go from A to B instead of a symbol of freedom, status or virility would really be a huge win. I also hope that on the long run it would help more city dwellers accept the idea of sharing cars instead of owning one. Collective…

>Collectively owned self driving cars could really help reshape our cities, reclame the insane amount of space we dedicate to roads and parking spots and funnel money into more public transit.

A collectively owned car that you don't have to drive yourself? Isn't that an existing and well known solution: public transportation?

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