Our economic system is set up such that you either hit a bar at which you accumulate capital forever unless you make a mistake, or you're loss-making forever. Once you hit that bar, your job becomes buying up housing like it's a Monopoly board. As an individual you can either choose to win or lose this game. We're not going to change it, at least not within our lifetimes.
Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s problems (2020)
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Re: Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s problems (2020)
#52> since the second world war, governments across the rich world have made three big mistakes. They have made it too difficult to build the accommodation that their populations require; they have created unwise economic incentives for households to funnel more money into the housing market; and they have failed to design a regulatory infrastructure to constrain housing bubbles.
The monotonic rise in the cost of housing is because of speculation. But this speculation is "legitimate" capitalism. The corpocracy certainly discourages the leftist notion of limiting capitalism.
> Housing is also a big reason why many people across the rich world feel that the economy does not work for them.
Housing is one of the reasons. Food, healthcare, and the environment are other reasons.
Re: Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s problems (2020)
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
the fatal flaw in capitalism imo, a lot of wealth gets created which is good for everyone but eventually, a lot of that wealth also gets held by a smaller and smaller minority while the rest try to desperately compete over whatever is left over. After a certain point a certain portion of any new wealth created somehow trickles up to the capital owning class (think your VC's, fund owners, other rich investors), this c…
One the the core issues with capitalism IMO is that it struggles to function as a meritocracy, because the reward for having merit - money - is itself an effective substitute for merit.
True! It's exactly what happens with, for example, the richest man in the world right now. Everyone loves him because they think he has so much merit, but he's just a glorified recruiter and/or magnate, he doesn't have any technical knowledge at all.
Re: Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s problems (2020)
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I read this kind of thinking a lot lately, people trying very hard to come up with solutions that don't address the main issue. Just guessing, you already own a house? The fix is to enable builders to build enough housing, and not just single family detached housing, by removing regulations which allow NIMBY-ism. At the same time, prevent investors from hoarding houses and jacking up the prices. I find it similar to…
> Just guessing, you already own a house? LOL, I wish. Renting in Munich for enough money that I'll never be able to save enough for a downpayment. If I ever want to own my home, I'll have to move to the German equivalent of Alabama, with all the issues that come with that. > The fix is to enable builders to build enough housing, and not just single family detached housing, by removing regulations which allow NIMBY-i…
Agricultural land here in the Netherlands sells at 6 euro per m2. With a single stroke of a pen that ground can become 300 euro per m2, when the municipality decides you can build a house there.
Same process in Germany. There is more than enough space. Problem is the price of plots is kept artificially high by municipalities, because they rely on the easy money it provides to finance their projects.
Re: Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s problems (2020)
#55Nothing will change while the homeowners have more political power than the renters. Even in the cities where the renter population is bigger than the homeowners, such as in Seattle, half of the votes come from people of > 65 years old (all of whom are homeowners, likely more than one home). Young people simply won't vote at all. There is very little incentives for the young people to vote. Even if you cancel all the…
If you are free and able to vote but won't do it, it's hard for me to feel too much pity for your situation. I started voting when I was 16 (my birth country allows that) and voted on every single election until I immigrated to the US - and then voted on every US election since becoming a citizen.
Re: Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s problems (2020)
#56Our economic system is set up such that you either hit a bar at which you accumulate capital forever unless you make a mistake, or you're loss-making forever. Once you hit that bar, your job becomes buying up housing like it's a Monopoly board. As an individual you can either choose to win or lose this game. We're not going to change it, at least not within our lifetimes.
the fatal flaw in capitalism imo, a lot of wealth gets created which is good for everyone but eventually, a lot of that wealth also gets held by a smaller and smaller minority while the rest try to desperately compete over whatever is left over. After a certain point a certain portion of any new wealth created somehow trickles up to the capital owning class (think your VC's, fund owners, other rich investors), this c…
I mean, how do you think the Western world become so wealthy? How did China raise tens of millions out of poverty.
Capitalism!
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As much as I'd like to throw capitalism under the bus, communist Russia was well known for its housing problems too.
The solution is always to invent new system, we as a human race must be continually experimenting with our systems. For example, look at Singapore's model for housing.
Having the have it alls at gunpoint, forced to demonstrate the systems fitness & benefits to the citizens or perish. Which is why there needs to be a elphant graveyard clause in tax-law, that destroys all monopolies via taxation.
Re: Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s problems (2020)
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you are free and able to vote but won't do it, it's hard for me to feel too much pity for your situation. I started voting when I was 16 (my birth country allows that) and voted on every single election until I immigrated to the US - and then voted on every US election since becoming a citizen.
Some people find it difficult to vote, for reasons I suspect disproportionately affect renters. Where people must be registered with their home address in order to vote, renters are at more risk of being unregistered at election time, because they move home more frequently. People experiencing economic hardship (who are more likely to be renters) are less likely to make time for voting (especially if polling stations…
Yes, it is harder for renters, but it is designed to be harder. This is to prevent renters from having political power and making homeowner's houses more expensive. One more reason to fight, from my point of view.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Definitely not that simple. To use your same argument though, it’s not just homeowners - it’s homeowners and aspiring homeowners . Which is nearly everyone.
The longer I live the more I am finding the universe is working on extremely simple few principles; their relations create complexity. Aspiring homeowners will never become homeowners if the price is exclusionary. Take SF: with average salary of 75-79K, the apartment cost starts from 1.1M. Only 8% has salary > than 100K, that makes the remaining 92% the "aspiring" homeowners. They will stay "aspiring" for the rest of…
There is a gigantic country and world out there.
Re: Housing is at the root of many of the rich world’s problems (2020)
#60I see at least two kind of schools on housing, one who talk about cheapness, typically from USA, Japan and few others. Another who talk about forever and ever duration, typically from south EU. Both have reasons and both to the extreme prove to be a disaster:
- in the JP/USA model a simple strong wind or a flood (from EU perspective) suffice to demolish houses, making big damages etc
- in the southern EU model houses are VERY old, they do not respond then to current needs and evolve them being not design to do so is a nightmare
Some countries choose the "division" model, like almost in the entire north-America with their residential-only suburbs, some mix at unbearable high density. Both models prove to be disastrous: the suburb model impose too much travel and being tied to some "district" nearby became a graveyard when the district change; too dense southern EU and Asian cities suffer the opposite issue: little travel is needed but things are so concentrated that there is no room to evolve.
Old Romans have a proverb: in medio stat virtus, "in the mean live the virtue", and I think that's well valid for housing... Too much dense => fail. Too little dense? Fail as well. Too diversified => fails, too much scaling issues. Too subdivided? => fails can't survive for long. Unfortunately evolving from a model to another, no matter if the change is good or bad, take MUCH, MUCH, MUCH time. Around homes we need infrastructures, like roads, aqueducts, power lines, TLCs, ... building a single home might be quick and easy BUT change the infra around normally is not. We still do not have the '30s dream of flying homes or semi-autonomous starships that can be moved easily everywhere... So far we do not even have flying cars (while they might be there technically)...
That's not much tied to richness: poorest countries have their housing issues as well, just in different terms. It's tied to the lack of Star Trek alike replicators and tech. Something that's not on the horizon nor for the rich nor for the poor. Is something we can and should tend to, but knowing it's far away.