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Instagram, TikTok, and the Three Trends

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Re: Instagram, TikTok, and the Three Trends

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yeah that's basically describing broadcast tv & radio

None of those are AI-generated (therefore don't have the potential massive automated scale) or auto-play.

are you sure? it sounds like the exact same playlist on every station with the same owner in the same market with such little care about the content in the playlist but only based on an algorithm.

so maybe AI === brain dead corporate owners?

Re: Instagram, TikTok, and the Three Trends

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post #44

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yeah that's basically describing broadcast tv & radio

None of those are AI-generated (therefore don't have the potential massive automated scale) or auto-play.

Max Headroom was a human powered simulation of such a future.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom

Re: Instagram, TikTok, and the Three Trends

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A good perspective on the ever-shifting mediums. Isn't the whole premise of modern social media to get you to engage in stuff you would not normally engage in out of societal norms, but is data driven to prove you can't look away? Most modern "personalized infinite feeds" are preying on these psychological tricks where we can't look away from something shocking, seductive, or comforting. i.e. show something painful a…

> Isn't the whole premise of modern social media to get you to engage in stuff you would not normally engage in I think "whole premise" is a bit of an exaggeration, but there is only so much "organic" engagement to be had. Some social media (e.g. Tumblr) don't try to reach too far beyond that. They're content in their niche. Facebook and TikTok, on the other hand, have infinite ambition and infinite appetite for enga…

> Facebook and TikTok, on the other hand, have infinite ambition and infinite appetite for engagement. They're well beyond the point where they need to employ manipulative dark patterns (and keep inventing new ones!) to keep those numbers up.

Mind elaborating here? I'm interested in your perspective regarding social media not employing newly discovered dark patterns (infinite video feeds, shorter content, targeted ads, personalized algorithms, etc)

Re: Instagram, TikTok, and the Three Trends

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You have to dig through this entire article to get to the punchline, but here it is: > "These AI challenges, I would add, apply to monetization as well: one of the outcomes of Apple’s App Tracking Transparency changes is that advertising needs to shift from a deterministic model to a probabilistic one; the companies with the most data and the greatest amount of computing resources are going to make that shift more qu…

They don't need to pay for removal of competing content directly, because people only have so many hours in the day. If they pay to promote favorable content, the unfavorable content will be crowded out.

But "people" isn't just a single thing, it's a distributed system of many interdependent but ultimately independent agents. If you only grind your own axe, yes many people will be indeed swept in, but a lot of other people will spend their parallel hours seeing others grind their own axe, which would include the axes of your opponents. There is an equilibrium where you reach all the people you would ever reach but your opponents still carves out their own niche out of other people's attention.

Whereas, if you pursue both pushing your agenda and suppressing your opponent's agenda, you will more truly make it zero-sum. Now even the parallel people who would never see/care about your own propaganda would also never see your opponent's propaganda, because you suppressed it at its source.

Re: Instagram, TikTok, and the Three Trends

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I am on a crusade to regulate my wife's instagram usage and will pretty much ban social media for my children (or at-least heavily regulate it). My wife agrees that she is much happier on the aggregate when she uses instagram less. Having worked in industries close to social media, the people here have no qualms about doing anything possible to increase revenue, whats worse is how smart some of the people are.

> whats worse is how smart some of the people are Smart people can use instagram, I'm not sure what you're getting at.

i meant more like those who are doing whatever to increase revenue for their companies not actual users themselves.

Re: Instagram, TikTok, and the Three Trends

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am on a crusade to regulate my wife's instagram usage and will pretty much ban social media for my children (or at-least heavily regulate it). My wife agrees that she is much happier on the aggregate when she uses instagram less. Having worked in industries close to social media, the people here have no qualms about doing anything possible to increase revenue, whats worse is how smart some of the people are.

> whats worse is how smart some of the people are Smart people can use instagram, I'm not sure what you're getting at.

That sentence referred to the people working at Instagram, not the people using Instagram. The poster meant that it is sad that smart people spend so much time and energy trying to get people addicted to these things.

Re: Instagram, TikTok, and the Three Trends

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post #45

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David Foster Wallace predicted it all in the 90s

I've heard this sentiment before, could you explain what you mean?

He touches on this idea a lot, but most deeply in Infinite Jest where the parallels between between addiction to media and addiction to drugs is a major theme. In that story people have developed 'Entertainments,' basically video segments. Someone makes an Entertainment so unbelievably good that anyone who watches it is immediately stupefied and has no will to do anything but watch the Entertainment over and over. This Entertainment becomes a potent terrorist weapon since it can essentially take out anyone to whom it's broadcast.

Re: Instagram, TikTok, and the Three Trends

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The Three Trends (according to the article): 1. Medium: text -> images -> video -> 3D graphics -> VR 2. AI: time -> rank -> recommend -> generate 3. UI: click -> scroll -> tap -> swipe -> autoplay By this definition, the end of the line is a totally passive consumption of endorphin-inducing pablum that blots out the real world. (I may be exaggerating a touch.) It might stop short of a wire into the pleasure centers o…

Reminds me of the Pixar movie Wall-E

Re: Instagram, TikTok, and the Three Trends

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There is something about the TikTok style swiping videos which just hits differently. I am far from the demographic for TikTok, but find it super addictive so just keep it off my phone. I barely use Instagram, but having checked in a few times recently I find myself mindlessly swiping their “Reels” for hours before pulling myself away from it. YouTube is my goto timewaste, but now when I pick it up on mobile I find m…

Isn’t this basically what 9gag also does, but TikTok just built a better interface and recommendation algorithm? 9gag seems almost exactly the same as tiktok, it just never got personalized

Also StumbleUpon which was(?) personalized but was for websites not short-format video.
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