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Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#51

Google should just go ahead and shut down their entire Cloud business. I mean, nobody in their right mind would build a business or anything substantial on top of any Google provided service, and the hobbyist market can't be that big. Just go ahead and drop out Google, and quit fucking wasting everybody's time.

How is IoT a hobbyist business?

I deployed a large restaurant equipment project on Azure backends and couldn't be happier.

I've made a policy of not touching Google for anything embedded-related and it continues to pay off.

I guess, yeah, anything non-AdWords related is a hobby. For Google.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#52

Google should just go ahead and shut down their entire Cloud business. I mean, nobody in their right mind would build a business or anything substantial on top of any Google provided service, and the hobbyist market can't be that big. Just go ahead and drop out Google, and quit fucking wasting everybody's time.

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Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#53
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Google should just go ahead and shut down their entire Cloud business. I mean, nobody in their right mind would build a business or anything substantial on top of any Google provided service, and the hobbyist market can't be that big. Just go ahead and drop out Google, and quit fucking wasting everybody's time.

Google Cloud (VMs, blob storage, databases) bring in multiple billions of revenue a year from enterprise. The company invested billions in new data centers and transferred large parts of intenral technical infrastructure into cloud to build these products over a decade. If Google Cloud (VMs, blob storage, databases) shut down, not only will large # of enterprises howl (data gravity is huge), Google will absolutely ha…

As a former head of engineering for a mid-sized IoT company with many tens of thousands of devices deployed in the field using a competing product (no, not the AWS one), seeing this made my stomach churn.

This was my second biggest fear after waking up to a ransomware attack.

It's hard to imagine anyone trusting Google for IoT again. I will certainly put them at the bottom of my list for any other infrastructure I develop against in the future, and ensure that we have a documented exit strategy should it come to pass.

The idea of having just one year to develop against a new IoT core, test it, update all deployed devices, and then coordinate logistics and budget to do truck rolls when things invariably go wrong is really grinding my gears.

I feel for all of the startups having to deal with this. To the folks who are invariably scrambling, I really hope you either got advanced notice, or you're getting an extension far beyond what is publicized. Edit: The more I think about this, the more I want to believe there must be contracts in place for certain customers that extend the lifetime of this product beyond what is public. There must be.

IoT is not an easy business. Designing and programming hardware is hard. Supply chains are hard. Maintaining working inventory is hard. Building logistics networks for installation and maintenance is hard. Courting and explaining to investors why you don't have the profit margins of a pure SaaS business is hard. Relying on your cloud provider to give you more than 1 year notice should be the easy part.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#54
post #32

Google should just go ahead and shut down their entire Cloud business. I mean, nobody in their right mind would build a business or anything substantial on top of any Google provided service, and the hobbyist market can't be that big. Just go ahead and drop out Google, and quit fucking wasting everybody's time.

Google Cloud (VMs, blob storage, databases) bring in multiple billions of revenue a year from enterprise. The company invested billions in new data centers and transferred large parts of intenral technical infrastructure into cloud to build these products over a decade. If Google Cloud (VMs, blob storage, databases) shut down, not only will large # of enterprises howl (data gravity is huge), Google will absolutely ha…

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Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#55
Looking at the release notes (https://cloud.google.com/iot/docs/release-notes) it seems like you could see it coming as there was no new features since 2019. This doesn't help GCP credibility compared to other cloud providers, AWS still supports legacy EC2-Classic from the early 2010s for god sake.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#56
At this point it might be useful to think of what Google projects are unlikely to be deprecated soon, or rather, has the potential of surviving deprecation. For instance, would Flutter being an open-source framework be able to save it from Google discontinuing it? Or is having to update it to mimic iOS behavior across its Cupertino widgets with each update too much?

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#57
post #22

Google should just go ahead and shut down their entire Cloud business. I mean, nobody in their right mind would build a business or anything substantial on top of any Google provided service, and the hobbyist market can't be that big. Just go ahead and drop out Google, and quit fucking wasting everybody's time.

Yes. They already angered the game dev community, and few believe Stadia will stay around. This angers the industrial internet-of-things community. You can get Siemens industrial equipment tied to Google IoT Core. Hopefully you don't already have it installed. Industrial controls people think in terms of decades, not months. A Coursera class on Google IoT Core for industrial control started today. 77,000 people signe…

> This angers the industrial internet-of-things community.

Hopefully they'll learn that if it's locked down to being tied to one person's cloud it's likely to become a paperweight in a few years.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

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hahaa; wow. So, we were doing this sensor project; and I picked "boring" things like raspberry-pi, python scripts, wiring the GPIO with a screw-down terminal or using SDR for other off-the shelf sensors to build the network. And in one of the demos showing our very low-budget type project a reviewer said: "you should look at IoT managers like the G offering, we're using it". So, they declined to use our methods and b…

I think it’s important to “own” what makes you different. Running your own servers isn’t that important and probably isn’t what makes you different. EC2, Azure VMs or whatever short term project Google is running for compute are all extremely comparable, and you loose very little by using them. But if your business is owning and operating an IoT platform for your customers, you should invest in a high quality solutio…

A slight variation I prefer, and strongly advocate is ‘own (or control) what makes you successful’. It may not be unique, and doesn’t imply always building it yourself, but you should be in control of those things.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#59

Google should just go ahead and shut down their entire Cloud business. I mean, nobody in their right mind would build a business or anything substantial on top of any Google provided service, and the hobbyist market can't be that big. Just go ahead and drop out Google, and quit fucking wasting everybody's time.

Are you aware Snapchat has a two billion dollar contract with GCP? GCP isn't some rinky dink hobby computer company.

Re: Google IoT Core will be discontinued on Aug. 16, 2023

#60

Google should just go ahead and shut down their entire Cloud business. I mean, nobody in their right mind would build a business or anything substantial on top of any Google provided service, and the hobbyist market can't be that big. Just go ahead and drop out Google, and quit fucking wasting everybody's time.

Are you aware Snapchat has a two billion dollar contract with GCP? GCP isn't some rinky dink hobby computer company.

well then maybe Google should stop acting as one. IoT core was used by serious companies.
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