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.bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

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Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

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post #48

What we really need is a new protocol based on Kademelia or something, a decentralized DNS. Engineering such a thing to scale would be tough, but getting adoption might be easier than we think. It could be offered via click-to-install browser extensions and click-to-install free apps in app stores.

Google and other search engines could do a lot to undermine the current DNS as well, if they supported indexing other nets.

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

#52
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is how they would do that, technically, since the system is distributed. They could of course force you to give up your domain physically, by seizing your server. As a non-US citizen, my primary concern is relying on nameservers located in the US. My machines are located in Sweden. Of course, that's no guarantee that they would be safe from the FBI...

I was talking about the dot-bit.org domain, not the .bit ones. But as others have mentioned, it wouldn't accomplish much.

Yes, I misread you, sorry about that. I don't know much about namecoin or how it works in detail, but from what I can tell it is still being designed in large part. At the moment there seems to be only a single central registrar which is an obvious weakness.

It would be interesting to know if there are plans or ideas for decentralising even the registrar role, for example assigning domains through votes across multiple nodes...

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

#53
post #48

What we really need is a new protocol based on Kademelia or something, a decentralized DNS. Engineering such a thing to scale would be tough, but getting adoption might be easier than we think. It could be offered via click-to-install browser extensions and click-to-install free apps in app stores.

Um, a decentralized DNS already exists, and it's called namecoin. Click on the story link again and explore.

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

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post #51
post #48

What we really need is a new protocol based on Kademelia or something, a decentralized DNS. Engineering such a thing to scale would be tough, but getting adoption might be easier than we think. It could be offered via click-to-install browser extensions and click-to-install free apps in app stores.

Google and other search engines could do a lot to undermine the current DNS as well, if they supported indexing other nets.

The second they do that, they'll only be available on the other nets.

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

#55
post #36
post #24

Learn from history. Repeat after me: nobody will ever use an alternate root. The idea is much, much older than your project. Consider ipv6, and everyone is TRYING to adopt that. Repeat after me: nobody will use an alternate root. PS: Yes, I know what namecoin is, and the idea is stupid. It may not be an alternate traditional dns root, but the point is exactly the same.

Others here have said that SOPA, or other forms of it won't go away even if the current bid to censor does not succeed. Lobbyists spend so much time and money pushing these bills down our collective throat. They do this under the impression that there are no other recourse for us, right? Explain BitTorrent. Explain BitCoin. Technologies like these may not always be successful, but they are created by people who are v…

The difference is, lobbyists fight wars for short term self interest, while hackers fight for long term interest.

The short term and long term have a tendency to conflict.

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

#56
Another thought: It would be huge if Firefox and Chrome both supported .bit out of the box. I don't know how possible that is without shipping namecoin clients in the browsers, but it seems like it shouldn't be impossible to have some sort of minimal client built-in that can do DNS lookups peer-to-peer.

If namecoin started to "just work" out of the box, that would change everything in regards to how likely this is to take over from the centralised DNS system.

Considering that both Google and Mozilla are so against SOPA, I don't see this as being completely impossible. Then again, I don't see why governments couldn't make it illegal to be a namecoin peer either, if they are already causing enough issues to warrant the system to begin with.

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

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post #54
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google and other search engines could do a lot to undermine the current DNS as well, if they supported indexing other nets.

The second they do that, they'll only be available on the other nets.

Can you elaborate? I don't follow how that might come about.

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

#58
post #56

Another thought: It would be huge if Firefox and Chrome both supported .bit out of the box. I don't know how possible that is without shipping namecoin clients in the browsers, but it seems like it shouldn't be impossible to have some sort of minimal client built-in that can do DNS lookups peer-to-peer. If namecoin started to "just work" out of the box, that would change everything in regards to how likely this is to…

> It would be huge if Firefox and Chrome both supported .bit out of the box.

Yes. But don't underestimate the power of add-ons/extensions.

Re: .bit non-governmental domain name registrar, for the post-SOPA era

#59
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The second they do that, they'll only be available on the other nets.

Can you elaborate? I don't follow how that might come about.

Easy. The reason for the other nets is because the governmental ones want to censor out parts. So if a domain on the govt net starts bypassing censorship by pointing at things on the other nets, the govt will consider that domain also an infringing domain and censor it too.

Of course, we're talking about Google. The US government wouldn't lightly block google.com. But it would start some sort of battle.

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