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Cellphones are devices that cost hundreds of dollars and gave a store on every other streetcorner that can repair them. Doing this to flashlights is just creating e-waste. Your average company knows the average buyer is an idiot and will gladly burn the earth selling them junk. We had to heavily regulate the food industry to prevent bad actors from causing negative effects, looks like the same needs to happen with e-…
> We had to heavily regulate the food industry to prevent bad actors from causing negative effects, [...] Sounds like 'post hoc ergo propter hoc' to me.
Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret
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Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many LED lightbulbs make claims about their expected lifetime. Except these numbers are often a fantasy. The LED itself may last almost forever, but the capacitors commonly go bad in a year or so. I suspect that would be the reality with a lot of the proposed mandatory labeling for electronics, too.
Pretty much any number you see on Amazon is a lie except from a very limited number if sellers.
Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret
#53I've made AirPods last longer than any other pair of earbuds I've ever had. It's the cord. For me, a max of six months of fiddling with the damn thing and it breaks. I've had real headphones last quite a bit longer— but I buy the ones with replaceable cords. The pair I still have is on its fourth cord and second pair of muffs. I don't view it as any sort of economic, human, or environmental catastrophe, that they sto…
Are you comparing these against Apple’s wired earphones? Because Apple’s cords are almost hilariously bad, and perhaps the best example of a product that’s designed to fail. (In fairness, they’ve improved somewhat over the years, but the bar was on the floor.)
Ironically, that could at least partially be attributed to their use of "environmentally friendly" plastic with little to no plasticisers.
Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have been a long time enthusiast of high power flashlights. We typically use 18350, 18650, 21700, or 26650. But I have been in dismay as even in this community, companies are starting to move away from these standards and provide proprietary batteries (Olight) or sealed (some newer Fenix models). We went through this exact cycle with laptops and cellular phones. The hardcore internet users were furious when compa…
> The market will avoid the proprietary solutions if that's really what the market feels I don't really buy into (no pun intended) any argument that relies on the efficient market hypothesis. As this article pointed out, there's a vast asymmetry of information, which prevents an efficient market, even in theory. > but I suspect these companies actually have a good idea about what their customers are looking for. I su…
What kind of theory are you using here?
There might be some theoretical reasons to expect that symmetric information (and a few other conditions) will lead to an efficient market.
But that doesn't mean that a pre-existing information symmetry is necessary for an efficient market.
The classic example is the 'market for lemons', a paper about the information asymmetry in the market for used cars: layman buyers typically can't judge a used car well via a short inspection.
That was supposed to prevent an efficient market where you can buy quality goods.
Of course, the business solution to this problem is fairly straightforward and profitable: reputation.
You run your company with strict standards, so over time you build up a reputation and charge a premium for that. In addition you can sell warranties, too.
A really simple example is white goods: it's really hard to judge a dishwasher when you just see them in the store. There's reviews I can look at, but I can also just go and buy a Miele dishwasher. They are pricey, but I also know that they are extremely high quality and will last.
For a while, Miele could ride that reputation and sell shoddy products until the market catches up. But it's more profitable for them in the long run to defend their reputation. (Also employees would probably rebel against a change in policy. Many people like to take pride in their work.)
This is all without regulation having a binding impact: shoddy dishwashers are just as legal as premium dishwashers.
Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret
#55If I've got a busted HDD or a dead tablet — anything which is holding data that I can't electronically destroy — who do I give it to?
The office supply shops have paper shredding. The municipal recycling centers will take stuff, and so will the electronics stores, but they all carry disclaimers about data privacy.
I've considered visiting my local police station where they store confiscated property and just tip it into a public trash can.
I suppose that the City's service would be safe enough. Would ethics or liability prevent salvage operations from harvesting personal data?
Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have been a long time enthusiast of high power flashlights. We typically use 18350, 18650, 21700, or 26650. But I have been in dismay as even in this community, companies are starting to move away from these standards and provide proprietary batteries (Olight) or sealed (some newer Fenix models). We went through this exact cycle with laptops and cellular phones. The hardcore internet users were furious when compa…
Who speaks for "the market?"
Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many LED lightbulbs make claims about their expected lifetime. Except these numbers are often a fantasy. The LED itself may last almost forever, but the capacitors commonly go bad in a year or so. I suspect that would be the reality with a lot of the proposed mandatory labeling for electronics, too.
They also severely overdrive the LEDs to get more brightness, at the cost of both reduced efficiency and lifetime. At least the Phoebus Cartel had an ostensible explanation (efficiency) for what they did. Doing the same with LED lighting is pure corporate greed. Some of the indicator LEDs on some of my electronics are many decades old, yet they are still functioning like when they were new. Clearly LEDs can last a lo…
How does it help the corporation make more money?
Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret
#58Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
They also severely overdrive the LEDs to get more brightness, at the cost of both reduced efficiency and lifetime. At least the Phoebus Cartel had an ostensible explanation (efficiency) for what they did. Doing the same with LED lighting is pure corporate greed. Some of the indicator LEDs on some of my electronics are many decades old, yet they are still functioning like when they were new. Clearly LEDs can last a lo…
> Doing the same with LED lighting is pure corporate greed. How does it help the corporation make more money?
Re: Electronics are built with death dates. Let’s not keep them a secret
#60A slightly tangential question for those in the know: how do consumers destroy their data? If I've got a busted HDD or a dead tablet — anything which is holding data that I can't electronically destroy — who do I give it to? The office supply shops have paper shredding. The municipal recycling centers will take stuff, and so will the electronics stores, but they all carry disclaimers about data privacy. I've consider…