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On pretending to have read books

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Re: On pretending to have read books

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A 15 year old niece told me this week that she can’t be bothered to read because she gets bored by the time she gets to the end of the first page. “Why do that when I have TikTok and YouTube?” It seems like there’s going to be a generation of people who don’t have to pretend to read - they simply don’t care to, and it doesn’t confer the same status TikTok fame does.

It was the same in the previous generation. Not reading school assigned books isn't new to gen Z. People were considered way more odd if they did read the books. Even more so if they said they enjoyed it.

Re: On pretending to have read books

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Eh, if the book is not worth the read to you, why the angst about admitting that? Sure, if your job is to read books and write critiques on them, your position may be different. Thinking of it, it should be admissible to say "I stopped reading for these reasons" even for a critic. But what can they write after that? It's not going to fill the page, is it?

By being able to pretend that you've seen a television show you won't be left out of the conversation when it drifts towards something that people feel passionately about like Breaking Bad. With books there might be even more pressure: demonstrate your knowledge or you might not get invited for brunch next week.

I'm so used to be left out of television show discussions that I couldn't imagine pretending. I'm ok not getting invited for brunch if that means I don't have to meet people that have expectations about the books I read. Creepy to think that people feel pressured into that.

Edit: Not disagreeing with what you say. It explains the situation of the author rather well. I live in blissful ignorance.

Re: On pretending to have read books

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In my age and wisdom I find that I can't get through a even a quarter of what I read these days. At best. 29 times out of 30. I throw it aside exclaiming, "what crap!". If it weren't for free blackmarket epubs I would have wasted a fortune. Where have all the good sci fi writers gone?

If there weren't black market epubs, would that be one component to market forces doing their thing for high-quality content? Related example, on a different factor: yesterday, I paid $51 for a nonfiction non-DRM .epub form of a book that was also available for $27 in ereader-specific DRM form. Had I instead pirated the book, that wouldn't have contributed to publisher incentive to offer non-DRM form, but that presum…

Here's some high-quality legal free scifi.

There is no antimemetics division, fine structure, etc : https://qntm.org/fiction

Friendship is Optimal : https://www.fimfiction.net/story/62074/friendship-is-optimal

Re: On pretending to have read books

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

By being able to pretend that you've seen a television show you won't be left out of the conversation when it drifts towards something that people feel passionately about like Breaking Bad. With books there might be even more pressure: demonstrate your knowledge or you might not get invited for brunch next week.

Have always considered Atlas Shrugged to be the best example and anti-thesis too. I’ve met a lot of people who say it’s their favorite book but it becomes clear they’ve never really read most of it or finished it under light questioning. But it will get you invited to those parties anyway. On the left, they’ve never read it and mentioning will cause your brunch invite to get lost.

Haha, I loved reading Rand in my teens. Also Tolkien. Somehow people are comfortable with having read the one fantasy land, not the other. I guess it's because Tolkien didn't write to change current politics. Rand did.

I did relate more to The Fountainhead and We The Living though. Atlas Shrugged is too damn preachy. It seems to me one needs a good deal of righteousness to think this a good book. Yeah, signaling goes a long way there.

Re: On pretending to have read books

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> wish I could go back and tell my knucklehead past self to just read them, as they are actually very good. I doubt it would have done any good. There's so much in those great books that teenagers won't appreciate. You might read Moby Dick at that age and think it's a just story about a guy chasing a whale, with a lot of digressions.

> teenagers won’t appreciate I’m middle-aged, read a lot, but Moby Duck is just about chasing a whale to me. I just don’t recognise the metaphors and deeper meanings, unless somebody with a word rotator mind explains it (or I read the Cliff’s notes - which I didn’t get either).

I just felt bad for Melville when I got to chapters where he introduced his classification system for whales. He seemed so excited by it, and it's unfortunately obvious with the passage of time that it was very wrong.

Re: On pretending to have read books

#56
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I thought for sure this essay would reference Pierre Bayard's really fun How to Talk About Books You Haven't Read . Oh well! Anyway, I think there are at least three kinds of reading. The one where you skim some reviews and read twenty pages is one of them. You can do this in order to just be able to say you've read something without putting in the "work", but you can also do this as part of a serious study of some s…

> The last one is when you read the book, then think about it, then read it again, then read about it, then keep reading it over and over for the rest of your life. Agree. Would love to see examples from people of books that fall in this category. I assume it is a short list for most people.

For me, I was thinking of Gene Wolfe when I wrote that. I've reread the entire "solar cycle" at least once every couple years for the last 20 years, and of course I own all the secondary material I can find on it. And I subscribe to three different podcasts where people just discuss it. And Youtube channels, and mailing lists... I don't think I'll ever really get to the bottom.

But it's not uncommon for people to do this with religious texts, too. Reading for devotion, for understanding, out of a since of obligation, whatever. Doesn't matter: it's a distinct way of interacting with books, different from reading a potboiler mystery novel.

Re: On pretending to have read books

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I've read "quite a few books" in my lifetime. I am not interested in having a conversation about any of them. Well... maybe one or two. Love Tolkien but boy did he need an editor. For the most part, many of the books I read are instantly forgettable. Those that aren't, I remember fragments, some bright, salient details surrounded by a fog of dullness. I watched John Carter the movie with my wife a while back, I know…

> People want to show off how clever they are by quoting bits of it, or dissecting the story - either they read and re-read books for a living, or they don't read very many books, I can't decide which it is.

That is a very uncharitable attitude: I suspect you are projecting your own abilities on others.

Many people are just interested in books for their own sake, and some people are effortlessly good at remembering and quoting books.

I do think there are many people that use literary references as part of their status signalling, and there are those that pretend ignorance (maybe a working class ingroup signalling they are not upper class twits). Someone quoting classical Greek literature, versus the οἱ πολλοί quoting page 3.

Re: On pretending to have read books

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Is anyone else thrown by the lack of editing here? There are a couple things that read oddly but might just be regional wordings, but other sentences seem like they can't have passed under an editor's nose. Yikes.

I do generally get annoyed at poorly edited articles, but I didn't notice it - examples?

Okay, I'm going to give you a shotgun blast of these and a good chunk of them may just be wrong. (It's my birthday, I feel crotchety, so out comes the red ink) If I were close-reading a text for an important purpose, here are the things I'd want to bring to the author's attention:

* "as easily remedied" seems to be an orphaned comparison to a parallel structure in an early paragraph that's been removed? At least, that's the way I can make it make most sense. As it stands: as easily remedied as what?

* "With genres such as “speculative fiction” that used to be for comics and cranks now taken seriously, and made-up genres like psycho-geography and ethnography sprouting all the time, not to mention the world’s back catalogue being available on one’s phone (and of course on-line titles like The Critic spewing essential verbiage like a broken main into the thoroughfare of discourse 24 hours a day), it is quite impossible to keep up or even to tread water." A decent editor doesn't let this sentence see the light of print. Even setting aside the Gish gallop of off-topic contrarian dinner-party remarks, you just... don't need that broken main simile. In a sentence that long, you just don't have the breath to spend.

* "maintaining well-articulated and informed opinions becomes ever more demanding on our time" Well-articulated has to do with writing rather than reading, and surely it's "demanding of" not "demanding on"? That latter would be one I'm trying to assume is a Briticism.

* "The diagnosis focuses on posited aromatic chemicals in ink or the ominous quiet that predominates and subconsciously reminds us of exam halls." "Predominates" is clear enough used on its own, but in this place in the structure, it almost seems like it's being applied transitively to "exam halls".

* "Now, over ten trillion new titles[...]" "Some, we’ve read." Not all ungrammatical conversational structures are bad, but those commas are just odd in places where the reading is far clearer without them. It's as if the advice that in English one should read a comma aloud with a pause had been taken as a bijective map...

* "When I mentioned the theme of this piece, for instance, my daughter immediately and shamelessly confessed to having recently completed an English essay on a text that she hadn’t even opened, based purely on the class discussion that she had attended on the first day back after a week off with Covid." Just split it into two sentences! It doesn't all have to go in one!

* "I affected to look disapproving but this, I venture, may well prove a more valuable skill set than the one ostensibly being tested." The "this" would naturally bind to "affected to look disapproving" without the object of the disapproval featuring somewhere in the first independent clause.

* "Students have long speculated whether the York Notes couldn’t tell them all there was to know about Crime and Punishment." I can't figure out why "couldn't" is there in the negative, since "whether" normally implies both positive and negative options.

* "Nowadays even that level of investment, financial and temporal, is unnecessary." Commas don't set this off enough from the rest of the sentence, so it doesn't read smoothly that "financial and temporal" applies to "investment" rather than "level".

* "one from say, the LRB or Prospect, just so you know what Lefty nonsense someone is likely to spout;" Given all the little asides set off with pairs of commas in this piece, how was the comma between "from" and "say" missed? Similarly, "There are thousands of these of course, but Amazon has" seems to be missing a comma between "these" and "of".

* "Pair this with the first twenty pages of the book itself, downloaded as a free Kindle “sample”, to familiarise oneself with the author’s stated intentions and stylistic irregularities and you are in a better place[...]" You can use a general "you", and you can use "one" for the same purpose, but to use both in the same sentence is sloppy as hell.

* If they're not using the serial comma, is it normal to still include a serial semicolon in the same place? Honest question.

* "It indicates an insightful, often amusing and pithy contribution — certainly pithier than the books that now emerge from the industrial bread-making approach taken by modern publishing, to get a decent magazine article up to 100,000 words." What are we to make of the comma after "publishing"? If the "to get a [...]" chunk was meant to attach to the "contribution", wouldn't the comma instead be another dash? If it's meant to attach to "approach", why is it there at all?

* "Once you’ve read the “Helpful” reviews, if you want to be really bulletproof, scan the three- and four-stars too." This is garden pathy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden-path_sentence) verging on ambiguously structured. Imagine you read just this sentence with the "too" chopped off. You wouldn't be able to tell whether "if you want to be really bulletproof" applies to "[reading]" the 'Helpful' reviews" or to "[scanning] the three- and four-stars too." One can understand it in context and with the "too", but the sentence feels clunky because the structure doesn't reflect its logic clearly.

* "Besides, if it weren’t for quotation books I doubt many of us would know Ralph Waldo from Fitipaldi, Almieri dos Santos or Keith." Why no comma to set off the counterfactual conditional? If the piece were generally written comma-light, I'd get it, but...

* "[...]currently struggling through — I wonder if you have already[...]" Is it a British thing to not use a semicolon in this kind of construction?

* "Books continue to flourish as a commodity, but to other purposes: as vectors of conversation, signalling and setters of agenda." "To other purposes" is unnatural but obviously permissible a la "to what purpose". In terms of the content, when people talk about books being a commodity, they're typically already contrasting that with "books are for reading." Also, the sequence there is uncomfortably close to a parallel structure but doesn't make it. "[...]as vectors of conversation, signals of X and setters of agenda" would read nicely, but you can almost get "as vectors of conversation, as vectors of signalling and as vectors of setters of agenda" from how the existing version parses out expanded.

* "Writing a book is mainly about conferring a degree of status on the author, getting her invited to literary festivals and onto Front Row." Said aloud it'd be fine, but that "getting [...]" just hangs off the sentence.

* "My physical bookshelves are double stacked, with a row of books who once had the shelves to themselves, now entirely obscured by new arrivals, like an unwelcome development spoiling their view." This sentence is structurally mushy. "My Xes are Y, with a Z who A to themselves, now B by C, like a D Eing their F." Even if we forgive the aroma of comma splice unseen, the pronoun resolution here is a mess.

* "A sort of three-dimensional version of the “palimpsest” that is well known to anyone who pretended to have read The Name of the Rose before seeing the movie adaptation." And here we give up on connecting way-too-many-clauses with commas and send a subject off into the world to survive sans predicate.

* "Meanwhile, I have some 2500 books in my kindle library, the vast majority unread. My Kindle library, incidentally, can be arranged in order of purchases." Even the worst editors correct Brand Capitalization, and here the author hasn't even bothered to match. (Also weird not to have a comma in that "2500" in the style I'd assume of this kind of publication, but it might be a choice)

* "Tellingly the first download was The Complete Works of Shakespeare[...]" Tellingly, I see no comma, despite many other such initial adverbs in the piece being given commas...

Anyway, this is on the editor (or absence of editor). There's very little here that I'd think the author should feel bad for not catching. Writing and rewriting your own prose – especially reading it aloud to yourself with the inflection you intend – numbs the eyeballs to many such things.

Re: On pretending to have read books

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I'm not the person you replied to, but this stood out to me: "And so (sorry, Orwell, but my guilt is too great to avoid the passive voice) certain strategies have evolved." This sentence isn't in the passive voice. ("Have been evolved" would be.) I would expect a good editor to be a grammar expert and catch that error.

Agreed, syntactically. However, it is passive in that the strategies aren't actually the actors. The word _evolved_ has a general passive use while actually retaining the active voice syntactically. The actual passive voice version you gave is not normal usage. The author is the actor who has developed strategies, but he is dodging the responsibility by making the strategies be the subject of the sentence and leaving…

The "passive voice" is a term with a technical meaning in grammar. "Evolved" used intransitively doesn't qualify. This is the kind of thing an ordinary person mostly shouldn't need to care about, but if you're going to reach for the cutesy editor joke...

Re: On pretending to have read books

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Funnily enough, pretending to read a book will almost always make you better at these conversations than actually reading the book. This is something I learned the hard way back in school. Whenever I actually read the book/chapter/article I would almost invariably do way worse on the quiz or essay compared to when I "cheated" by only reading a couple of summaries or reviews. In fact, I really enjoyed reading Eco's Na…

The best grade on a book essay I got in High School was for a book that didn't even exist. We were supposed to read a book of our choosing and write about it. I couldn't be bothered (ok, ok, I wasn't the best student), so I just made one up and the teacher commented that it was the best essay in the class. As an adult, I've now read a lot of the classics I was supposed to have read in High School, and wish I could go…

The main problem is teachers not adjusting the books to the personality of the student. I often wonder if many US high-school English teachers don't actually read anything outside of their curriculum literature.

The glory of English literature is that it varies widely. Want a swashbuckle? Got it--here's "Ivanhoe". Want a soap opera? "Tom Jones". All manner of surreal? Roald Dahl. Incredibly dark humor? Late Mark Twain.

Even when someone says "I don't like author .", if someone explains what they don't like, you can often find a different story that they like just fine.

By contrast, forcing "Pride and Prejudice" or "Wuthering Heights" onto a ninth grade teenager who digs surreal humor is just going to make them want to give up on reading completely.

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