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At some point in the 20th century, America invented big-scale office life. We were the envy of the world for it. And so it would have continued, had not certain ideas about the shape of the world turned out to be disastrously wrong.
Definitely "citation needed" on both points.
Nope. It’s bad for property owners and leasers. I don’t work to have fun, I work to have a paycheck. Don’t insult me by pretending the deal is anything more.
It's worst for banks, since they hold a lot of the financial strings to the property. The pressure rolls downhill from them onto debtors. If their property investment business fails because people are using developed land more productively than they anticipated, they are in huge trouble. That's a whole business model and class of assets effectively stranded. There's a reckoning coming forth in these back-to-the-offic…
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I miss the simple things, like finding a new restaurant and trying it with coworkers. It sounds cliche, but I liked "getting out of the house" and having more of a work-life separation. I have kinda accepted that that era is gone and is not coming back. The last time I worked out of an office was March, 2020.
I miss a lot about in office life. The parent talking about the newcomers i think really nails it the most/worst, not just because work is now 100% work, but because most people are totally isolated, heads down on their tickets, and dont see so much of whats going on. There's no serendipitous learning: few random exchanges, little chance to see someome beaming & hear them brag/explain, rarely chance to see someone st…
That shit never happened to me when I worked onsite.
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have you considered finding a new restaurant and trying it without coworkers
Have you considered that not everyone finds their coworkers insufferable, actually finds the camaraderie enjoyable, and do make friends at the office?
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You can socialize without sharing everything. I too work for money. I could do a lot of the same things without a job. But some asshole won mega millions when it was my turn. If office culture sucks, I want it to improve, because that’s where I make money. It means I can make money with less stress. Less stress, more productivity. More productivity, more recognition, more opportunities for money. You can look at thin…
That's your problem. If you have difficulty making friends then go to concerts or something. I can't imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting. For the record, I'm still friends with multiple co workers from previous jobs. But that's just not the point of work.
“If you have difficulty making friends…” Who said the office was the only place that’s possible? You’re just missing it as a place that’s possible. You don’t agree. That’s ok.
“I can’t imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting.” Sorry you haven’t worked anywhere with anything close to good culture. Bad culture isn’t worth a zoom call.
“For the record, I’m still friends with multiple co workers from previous jobs.” Not sure why you needed this on the record. I didn’t. But now it is on there twice. I’m doing my part.
“But that’s just not the point of work.” Yep, explained that. You’re not making as much money as you could. But that’s your problem.
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That's your problem. If you have difficulty making friends then go to concerts or something. I can't imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting. For the record, I'm still friends with multiple co workers from previous jobs. But that's just not the point of work.
“That’s your problem.” Please do elaborate. “If you have difficulty making friends…” Who said the office was the only place that’s possible? You’re just missing it as a place that’s possible. You don’t agree. That’s ok. “I can’t imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting.” Sorry you haven’t worked anywhere with anything close to good culture. Bad culture isn’t worth a zoom call. “For the record, I’m…
>“I can’t imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting.” Sorry you haven’t worked anywhere with anything close to good culture. Bad culture isn’t worth a zoom call.
Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day, if you buy a home, this can happen very easily.
The highest paid job I've ever had was fully remote, I think I would like if companies had a dual compensation structure.
All of you who love the office so much can get a $20,000 year bonus, and I'll be chilling in my nice paid off home out in suburban Illinois.
To be abundantly clear in a world where remote work is the norm, I'll be able to buy a home very easily. But if we go back to forcing everyone into the office, I'll never buy a home in the United States .
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“That’s your problem.” Please do elaborate. “If you have difficulty making friends…” Who said the office was the only place that’s possible? You’re just missing it as a place that’s possible. You don’t agree. That’s ok. “I can’t imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting.” Sorry you haven’t worked anywhere with anything close to good culture. Bad culture isn’t worth a zoom call. “For the record, I’m…
The issue is if enough people are willing to go back in the office for stuff like free brownie Wednesdays, we all have to go back. >“I can’t imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting.” Sorry you haven’t worked anywhere with anything close to good culture. Bad culture isn’t worth a zoom call. Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day, if you buy a home, this can happen very easi…
Going to provide a bit of advice. Take it or leave it.
If you don’t want to work in an office, those office lovers are going to need to appreciate your side too. If you’re hoping for a compromise, at least. You may want to alienate them a bit less, or it will be you versus them. And if they win, back you go!
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“That’s your problem.” Please do elaborate. “If you have difficulty making friends…” Who said the office was the only place that’s possible? You’re just missing it as a place that’s possible. You don’t agree. That’s ok. “I can’t imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting.” Sorry you haven’t worked anywhere with anything close to good culture. Bad culture isn’t worth a zoom call. “For the record, I’m…
The issue is if enough people are willing to go back in the office for stuff like free brownie Wednesdays, we all have to go back. >“I can’t imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting.” Sorry you haven’t worked anywhere with anything close to good culture. Bad culture isn’t worth a zoom call. Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day, if you buy a home, this can happen very easi…
This sounds like being against democracy because you won't always be in the majority.
> Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day
The word "many" is doing a lot of work there. Most people's commutes are way shorter than that.
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I miss the simple things, like finding a new restaurant and trying it with coworkers. It sounds cliche, but I liked "getting out of the house" and having more of a work-life separation. I have kinda accepted that that era is gone and is not coming back. The last time I worked out of an office was March, 2020.
Unless you moved to Boise or wherever when the pandemic started, it's still perfectly reasonable to meet your coworkers for lunch. Try it!
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The issue is if enough people are willing to go back in the office for stuff like free brownie Wednesdays, we all have to go back. >“I can’t imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting.” Sorry you haven’t worked anywhere with anything close to good culture. Bad culture isn’t worth a zoom call. Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day, if you buy a home, this can happen very easi…
> The issue is if enough people are willing to go back in the office for stuff like free brownie Wednesdays, we all have to go back. This sounds like being against democracy because you won't always be in the majority. > Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day The word "many" is doing a lot of work there. Most people's commutes are way shorter than that.
More junior people, say an entry level employee who still lives at home, will have longer commutes.
I am absolutely not seeing it any sort of majority that wants to go back to the office, it's more like corporate desperately wants it and enough people are like, oh they promised to give us extra bagels, sure.
As long as I'm doing my work, I want the freedom to live wherever I want in the United States.