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Meta Reports Second Quarter 2022 Results

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Re: Meta Reports Second Quarter 2022 Results

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Lower revenue than Q2 of 2021 and higher expenses. They're on track to have significantly lower net income this year than last year. Au revoir, Facebook.

Au revoir? Don't think dethroning the lizard king is going to be that easy.

Snarky only comments aren’t in the spirit of HN…

That said I laughed out loud to this. I’m not a FB fan because of all the dark patterns.

Edit: Added “only”

Re: Meta Reports Second Quarter 2022 Results

#52

On the metaverse question: does anyone seriously believe Facebook can innovate, let alone build a new industry?

They have the cash to make the hardware, the capital-intensive side, work. On the actual product experience I'm unconvinced. But all Meta needs to do is be competitive in the space not win it. If they're in the top-3, that's still a huge revenue generator.

They changed their name to Meta... They need to win it or become a footnote. The market won't accept them going from a world leader to an also-ran.

Re: Meta Reports Second Quarter 2022 Results

#53
post #6

Like I said before, the premature death of Meta Platforms constantly screamed here and even orchestrated and parroted by the mainstream media, has been greatly exaggerated. Still profitable in a market downturn even with rising inflation fears causing everyone else in big tech to slightly miss expectations. DAUs, MAUs up again and they will be here for another 10+ years like it or not. It's business as usual folks.

Given how the market is reacting, or non-reacting, then yeah this is business as usual for Meta. But hating on Meta is just free karma on HN so why not? You don't come to these threads to deal with the truth, you just voice your feelings or farm karma.

Re: Meta Reports Second Quarter 2022 Results

#54

Lower revenue than Q2 of 2021 and higher expenses. They're on track to have significantly lower net income this year than last year. Au revoir, Facebook.

The only thing that matters to see their trajectory is their performance with respect to their industry peers.

So assuming they're just an online entertainment company, Netflix is higher, Twitter is about the same, Disney is probably on the up, Activision and EA have similar downward trends, so I don't know, might still be too noisy to tell.

Personally if I were a betting man I'd be shorting them hard. People are quickly souring on the entire social media industry. There's no reason it had to stay around

Re: Meta Reports Second Quarter 2022 Results

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have the cash to make the hardware, the capital-intensive side, work. On the actual product experience I'm unconvinced. But all Meta needs to do is be competitive in the space not win it. If they're in the top-3, that's still a huge revenue generator.

They changed their name to Meta... They need to win it or become a footnote. The market won't accept them going from a world leader to an also-ran.

Their share price would just update to reflect their position. The market isn't going to punish a company for declining, just price a company based on current position and future prospects. It is the nature of companies to grow, stagnate, decline, and fail.

Re: Meta Reports Second Quarter 2022 Results

#56

Lower revenue than Q2 of 2021 and higher expenses. They're on track to have significantly lower net income this year than last year. Au revoir, Facebook.

> Au revoir, Facebook. Modern day Linux on the Desktop.

Last week, I switched my desktop to Linux. I was pretty bullish on FB (but hated the company) until the whole "Metaverse" thing.

Re: Meta Reports Second Quarter 2022 Results

#57
Disclaimer: Ex-Facebooker.

The first thing to know about Facebook is that they view the social media landscape in two dimensions: format and audience size. Format here means text -> audio -> video. So if you look at the match up between audience of 1:1,000,000 and text you'll find Twitter, for example.

This has served FB quite well but what happens after video, if anything? Well, the company believes the next two steps are VR then AR. In this context, the Oculus acquisition makes more sense.

Meta is ultimately (IMHO) suffering from a problem similar to what Microsoft had in 2000: it didn't know where to go and lacked leadership and direction. With MS and Netscape, MS really believed they were doing normal MS things until the governmen tintervened and they didn't really know what to do.

There have been three big initiatives from the top at FB that IMHO didn't and still don't make sense:

1. In respons eto the misinformation aroundd and subsequent to the 2016 election, FB decided to try and police truth with "fact checking". This is a huge mistake. Nobody is going to be happy. There will always be a line where people disagree. Even in clear cases of false information, as we've seen you're going to still upset a lot of people. This was always a losing strategy;

2. They decided to merge WhatsApp, FB Messenger and IG Direct to try and "win" the US messaging market against iMessage. Years before this there was no concerted effort to merge FB, IG and WA accounts. When asked, Mark said they were differnt ecosystems with different permissions. It didn't make sense to try and unify them. Well that fell by the wayside and angered users in the process; and

3. The Metaverse. Much like VR in general, I don't htink is ever going to be mainstream. It doesn't solve any problem. AR might if we can ever get AR glasses to work but that's a pretty big if. For now, people love their phones. They don't love VR headsets and (again, IMHO) they never will.

So now Meta stock has lost half its value. The best performers will be looking at the door. An effort to weed out low performers is going to make things incredibly toxic. It won't weed out bottom performers. It'll weed out those who are the worst at politics because that's what employee calibration is.

None of this is address the real problem: leadership. There is no top-level direction (that makes sense). Who you should be looking to lose is 50% of the people from directors right up to Mark's level. ICs and "leaf" managers don't decide company strategy. Direct this at those who do.

Re: Meta Reports Second Quarter 2022 Results

#58

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/27/facebook-parent-meta-earning... - Earnings: $2.46 per share vs. $2.59 per share expected, according to Refinitiv - Revenue: $28.82 billion vs. $28.94 billion expected, according to Refinitiv - Daily Active Users (DAUs): 1.97 billion vs 1.96 billion expected, according to StreetAccount - Monthly Active Users (MAUs): 2.93 vs 2.94 billion expected, according to StreetAccount - Average Rev…

Okay at the danger of outing myself as financially incompetent at big company level, the difference seems neglible?

There's a difference between the market expecting a great quarter and FB missing by a little, and the market expecting a bad quarter and FB doing even worse.

Re: Meta Reports Second Quarter 2022 Results

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have the cash to make the hardware, the capital-intensive side, work. On the actual product experience I'm unconvinced. But all Meta needs to do is be competitive in the space not win it. If they're in the top-3, that's still a huge revenue generator.

They changed their name to Meta... They need to win it or become a footnote. The market won't accept them going from a world leader to an also-ran.

Right now Meta has product offerings (Horizon Worlds), they have an app store, and they make their own hardware. I find their product offering to be bad, but their app store and hardware are fine. Valve has made plenty of money over the years by owning just an app store alone. I think Meta is still a world leader owning the store and the hardware even if their product offering is middling. Being able to innovate on the hardware end gives them great leverage on what features applications use, the ability to influence AAA studios and indie devs alike. This will eventually stop if VR hardware becomes commoditized, but that's not happening any time soon if it ever does. And if Meta does win the product battle then there's even more value to profit from.

And not being a world leader won't tank their stock or somehow erase the company. There's still real earnings/value to be had in VR and they're early in the space. As long as the space as a whole is successful and Meta stays a part of it, they'll continue to receive revenue which will continue to drive stock growth. They might not forever stay a behemoth, but they're not going anywhere any time soon.

Re: Meta Reports Second Quarter 2022 Results

#60

Lower revenue than Q2 of 2021 and higher expenses. They're on track to have significantly lower net income this year than last year. Au revoir, Facebook.

Higher expenses were already expected due to the metaverse play, so I don't think this means that Facebook is really going anywhere.
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