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Re: Tom Lord has died

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post #35

> speaking the truth about the climate emergency and treating it as an actual emergency. Unfortunately this advocacy frequently took unproductive directions, being abusive to elected officials and staff at the local and state levels,[1] and opposing changes that would help move things in the right direction climate-wise, such as building more in-fill housing in Berkeley, because some other action (say, convincing peo…

. [1] source - personal conversations with those officials and employees about Tom's behavior That is not a source. That is a personal opinion reported. Politics. Bullshit. Together forever

In this scenario I’m making up lies about a person who died last month.

Re: Tom Lord has died

#52
post #38

> speaking the truth about the climate emergency and treating it as an actual emergency. Unfortunately this advocacy frequently took unproductive directions, being abusive to elected officials and staff at the local and state levels,[1] and opposing changes that would help move things in the right direction climate-wise, such as building more in-fill housing in Berkeley, because some other action (say, convincing peo…

To be fair, it's highly unclear if Berkeley would benefit from population growth, or lose its character as it tries to scale.

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Re: Tom Lord has died

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post #28
post #8

Is it this Tom Lord: https://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/ ? It was my first introduction to proper branching/merging support, vs RCS and CVS at the time.

I worked on a POC porting it to Windows and had to port GNU tar to support large file names. TLA was truly revolutionary!

Similarly, I managed a Solaris build of arch for a while. arch/larch/arx/tla/baz was pretty cool. But Tom was in denial about its short comings. Particularly speed.

Re: Tom Lord has died

#54
arch has a legitimate claim to have been the first ever distributed version control system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_version_control

Not particularly popular though; that probably had something to do with Tom's dogmatism.

He was an interesting and entertaining writer though! I had various interactions with him on irc #arch and related mailing lists.

Re: Tom Lord has died

#55

Seems to have been on HN, but inactive since 2013: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1266032 (on Guile[1]) * https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=dasht [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Guile

I'm pretty sure he had a username on HN previous to dasht. Perhaps he burnt a bridge or two?

User tomlord seems to exist but no comments.

Re: Tom Lord has died

#56
post #48
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That absolutely is a source from which you can form an opinion on the content which indeed you have. Leaving it unspecified so you can't reliably is the issue that does not exist here.

But is the point of death the right point to these grievances? Like wait a day or month even. I get that some grievances don’t need to wait (Limbaugh) but it’s a high bar.

Separate issue but an interesting one, basically revolves around good manners.

a) Don't recall someone's blemishes while their family is grieving because that would be and is (if they see/hear it) unpleasant for them at a difficult time. Especially if the passing was unusually more tragic than "died while still mentally sharp and enjoying things of extreme old age in bed surrounded by loving children and grandchildren." May we all be so lucky.

b) Don't paper over their blemishes, remember them fully and as humans. This is especially relevant for public figures where people try to use (a) to advance some political outcome. Eg X is dead so can't be criticised but was wildly in favour of increasing the military budget which we must now redouble efforts to do with no disparagement. This is obviously only a little hyperbolic.

I note that (b) can also be used. Eg X was a massive jerk so don't let X's death get added publicity for views about resource allocation that are to be opposed. Whether X really was a jerk or not.

I have sympathy for both (a) and (b). Will Tom's family see things here? Is Tom Lord a public figure? OP seems to think so. Are they indulging in a little (b)? I have no idea. I have minimal interest in Berkeley politics.

What I will note is that I've just spent half an hour reading Tom's old posts from 2012 her on HN and he reads very well. He seems knowledgeable, kind, humane, subtle, intelligent and has very interesting things to say. Agree or not he's worth reading. An ideal HN poster from those I read. From what I have seen I would certainly listen to his views on Berkeley politics if I cared about it in any way.

Re: Tom Lord has died

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post #16

Seems to have been on HN, but inactive since 2013: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1266032 (on Guile[1]) * https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=dasht [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Guile

He was also very active on twitter https://twitter.com/thomas_lord , but I do not know if any of it is technology related (as opposed to arguing about communism vs capitalism in housing, which is where I know him from).

technocrat.net is where I remember him posting.

Re: Tom Lord has died

#58
post #38

> speaking the truth about the climate emergency and treating it as an actual emergency. Unfortunately this advocacy frequently took unproductive directions, being abusive to elected officials and staff at the local and state levels,[1] and opposing changes that would help move things in the right direction climate-wise, such as building more in-fill housing in Berkeley, because some other action (say, convincing peo…

To be fair, it's highly unclear if Berkeley would benefit from population growth, or lose its character as it tries to scale.

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Re: Tom Lord has died

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he was not very old. how unfortunate

He was five years my senior. I never expected to be immortal but at my age one starts becoming aware that you have more weeks behind your back than in front of you. I like to think that living is just untangling a web that somehow fate has already set for you. So in the end what counts is living each and every moment as if it was the most important one, and loving and caring about the people that love and care about…

While I like the sound of a mentality that suggests paying attention to every moment, it does raise the question: pay attention at what level? Count the leaves on every tree?

This question motivates a different follow-up question: how should we pay attention? Our senses can be deceived, so we should also use reason and conceptual understandings to literally enrich (de-noise perhaps) our raw senses?

But some philosophies (e.g. Buddhism, or at least some variants of it) emphasizes that ‘conceptual’ understandings can distract us from reality, which is always changing.

Almost every philosophy has paradoxes — some of which have convincing resolutions. I’m hoping to hear more points of view…

Re: Tom Lord has died

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> speaking the truth about the climate emergency and treating it as an actual emergency. Unfortunately this advocacy frequently took unproductive directions, being abusive to elected officials and staff at the local and state levels,[1] and opposing changes that would help move things in the right direction climate-wise, such as building more in-fill housing in Berkeley, because some other action (say, convincing peo…

Tom Lord was, like other GNU pioneers, well known for being very opinionated and not being especially easy to work with. GNU arch was forked how many times?

But he had a lot of skill to back it up with, too. I remember when QuickCheck first appeared, someone used it to test the correctness of various regexp libraries, and Tom Lord's was one of the very few which passed.

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