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Re: James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution shots now live

#51

Dumb question. Why can’t we focus on a single exoplanet, look for mountains, grass, buildings? Why am I so stupid but isn’t this the obvious thing to do?

There is a fundamental physics limit at play here: the diffraction limit is linear with the aperture diameter and gives an upper bound on the resolution of a telescope. Having a longer exposure doesn't help - that's for resolving very faint objects (more light collected -> higher signal-to-noise). To resolve a building-sized object on an exoplanet, regardless of its intensity, we'd need a telescope the size of the solar system. There are some proposals to use the gravitational lensing of our sun to create such a telescope, but those projects are decades at least from implementation.

Re: James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution shots now live

#52
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I am confused because I thought it was an infrared telescope? Are these images as received, or are they frequency shifted post processed into the visible range?

Yes, they are frequency shifted. Many telescope images are in false color. I can understand that we are interested in visible light since that’s most within our experience, but the human eye was not evolved for the astronomical and universal so we need some help. Frequency shifting is a tool just like a lens.

Re: James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution shots now live

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Here is a Hubble side by side of the deep field for comparison https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10159217085846758&se...

Ok to be honest I know it's not cool to admit it, but so far it all looks the same. If someone told me that the Webb picture was taken by Hubble I would not have thought about it for an extra second.

I'm hoping that in the future we see pictures of locations and environments that are mind-blowing to the average person who loves space.

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#55

Way to brighten my day with awe and wonder, way to ruin my day with existential dread about our place in the universe.

Existential dread pro-tip: The Wikipedia page on "Ultimate fate of the universe" is a fantastic way to compell the question of why anything ultimately matters.

Coming up with personal answers to this is the ultimate character resolve exercise!

Re: James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution shots now live

#56
post #15

Here is a Hubble side by side of the deep field for comparison https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10159217085846758&se...

Ok to be honest I know it's not cool to admit it, but so far it all looks the same. If someone told me that the Webb picture was taken by Hubble I would not have thought about it for an extra second. I'm hoping that in the future we see pictures of locations and environments that are mind-blowing to the average person who loves space.

The difference is in a) the details and b) the length of time the telescope has to gather light to get the photo. JWST got the photo in hours when Hubble took weeks, and there's easily 10x as many objects in the JWST shot.

JWST can thus observe much fainter and much more distant objects - galaxies billions of years old, exoplanets, etc., and it can do more of it.

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#57

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There aren't telescopes big enough to do that.

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If you're not inspired by these images and the accompanying detail on why they are being taken (especially the exoplanet spectroscopic surveys) then you just aren't thinking hard enough about them.

Re: James Webb first images – complete set of high resolution shots now live

#59
The exoplanet analysis is what I'm most intrigued by. They're getting much more data than in the past on these.

Of course they went for an easy gas giant target first (it has lots of water, which is great), but those Earth-like planets in the Goldilocks zone are gonna be some of the most exciting stuff that comes out of this. Looking forward to it.

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