The snobby attitude about Microsoft on HN makes no sense to me
Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft
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#53The world needs a better way to monetize open source.
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#55The world needs a better way to monetize open source.
RedHat showed the way. GitLab showed the way. Source Hut is showing the way. There are other examples for sure.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or the ex-hippies knew very well that Woodstock is just a stage (pun intended) and didn't take it that seriously. I mean, almost all prominent tech companies had those people at one stage or another. Nothing forbade them from listening to the Beatles in their Buicks or counting fat stacks to the sounds of Yellow Submarine.
I think Stallman, and having been at his session done at CERN during 2003, I did actually got to talk with him, doesn't agree with the stage thing.
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#57The snobby attitude about Microsoft on HN makes no sense to me
They’ve worked very very hard in the past to extinguish and annihilate a lot of the values HN stands for. Either you’re too young or didn’t follow tech back then but MS and Gates truly did evil moves to try and kill any and all competition, especially Linux and open source. Many of us remember.
Re: Systemd Creator Lands at Microsoft
#58Usually if you don't like a piece of software, you just don't use it. And this is the core of the problem: If I got the critics correctly the problem has more to do with the way this has been "forced" onto the community. Most criticism on the substance has been just bias colored by this aspect or people being like "I was used to the old system, now I need to learn something new".
The latter is of course a totally valid point. If you want people to change their habits, you need to give them a clear reason why and — more important — they need to want to change that habit themselves.
The same greybeard friend of mine who still complains on systemd happily adopted pipewire. Why? Because he saw a clear benefit in doing so and nobody forced this onto him.
Critica might argue Pöttering now going to Microsoft is proof that he always has been the devil, I'd argue it is proof that a certain kind of culture can drive people out of open source. I could imagine a different kind of universe in which the communications between the systemd devs and the rest of the community had been different and we would not only have gotten a better systemd, but maybe also a Pöttering who would not go to MS.
The saddest thing about the whole affair is that it has a stifeling effect on new devs. Who would dare to write another systemd after that? Certainly not me.
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#59Agent Poettering, welcome back. You've done tremendous work for us. *I actually don't care strongly about systemd one way or the other but couldn't resist the joke
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
RedHat showed the way. GitLab showed the way. Source Hut is showing the way. There are other examples for sure.
Don't Red Hat and GitLab have really different models, since Red Hat only releases free software and GitLab is merely 'open core'?
GitLab sells SaaS, provides a free self-installable community supported version, and accepts contributions from community.
They're pivoting to a more closed model, which I don't like, but it's still possible to get the community version, the code and play with it.
All in all I think many possible different ways to monetize an free and open source project. They work differently than we get used to over the last century, but it's possible.