Reading these comments I realize now that despite Boudin's recall, places like SF -- dominated by leftist ideology -- still have a long, long way to go before bottoming out and smelling the coffee.
Event-level prediction of urban crime reveals a enforcement bias in US cities
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Re: Event-level prediction of urban crime reveals a enforcement bias in US cities
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> And yet a single Police incident gone wrong will completely overshadow the reality of this. that's because when the police kill people, there are no repercussions for them, no matter how much obvious bias, incompetence, disregard for human life, and malice is apparent in their activity. police can literally murder people on a whim and 99% of the time not even be suspected of any crime much less prosecuted. The Geor…
>police can literally murder people on a whim and 99% of the time not even be suspected of any crime much less prosecuted Same with medical professionals. Medical errors kills over 250k people each year in the US. It generally isn't criminal if they make a judgement that results in someone's death. There's been a number of serial killers in medicine because we give medical professionals the benefit of the doubt due t…
Police are protected more than medical professionals.
Also we’re not talking about medical professionals here and mixing them into the conversation is muddying the water.
Re: Event-level prediction of urban crime reveals a enforcement bias in US cities
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> Imagine being a police officer risking your life every single day. Now imagine being a logging worker, risking your life every day[1], and not having anyone ever say this about you. [1] https://advisorsmith.com/data/most-dangerous-jobs/
I think plenty of people say that, actually. There was a very popular discovery channel (or maybe history channel) show that followed around various groups of loggers and just about every episode had someone getting injured or barely escaping injury. Deadliest Catch, similarly, highlighted the risk faced in one of the other most dangerous jobs, offshore fishing.
A single show vs an entire culture lol
Re: Event-level prediction of urban crime reveals a enforcement bias in US cities
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No, it's completely contradictory. You either want police to police high crime areas or you don't. You either think they should arrest people in those areas committing crimes, or you don't. The police are both biased for enforcing laws, and biased for not, is not a valid position.
Police can be strongly enforcing some laws and regulations, while not enforcing others. Typically you see under-enforcement of crimes that have direct victims and real impact on people's lives - property and violent crime (say, a stolen car, or stolen bike that leaves the victim unable to get to work/child care, or the victim injured and unable to work, if only temporarily) that directly impact a person's life...and…
Could this be down to the fact that police need reasons to stop cars in the US? In Australia they set up random stops and alcohol/drug test every driver without needing any suspicion. There is also no chance for racial bias since everyone gets tested.
While in the US they have to come up with a billion bullshit reasons to stop someone which mostly impacts poor people in bad cars.
Re: Event-level prediction of urban crime reveals a enforcement bias in US cities
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
>police can literally murder people on a whim and 99% of the time not even be suspected of any crime much less prosecuted Same with medical professionals. Medical errors kills over 250k people each year in the US. It generally isn't criminal if they make a judgement that results in someone's death. There's been a number of serial killers in medicine because we give medical professionals the benefit of the doubt due t…
Police are protected more than medical professionals. Also we’re not talking about medical professionals here and mixing them into the conversation is muddying the water.
>Police are protected more than medical professionals.
If that was the case, then why isn't there 250x the public outrage when a medical professional makes an error that kills someone, since they kill 250x more than police do each year[0]?
And I'm not muddying the waters, so I don't appreciate the accusation of bad faith. I think the professions are comparable in nature, but there's a huge discrepancy in how they're treated, despite a massive body count difference.
0. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
Re: Event-level prediction of urban crime reveals a enforcement bias in US cities
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
>police can literally murder people on a whim and 99% of the time not even be suspected of any crime much less prosecuted Same with medical professionals. Medical errors kills over 250k people each year in the US. It generally isn't criminal if they make a judgement that results in someone's death. There's been a number of serial killers in medicine because we give medical professionals the benefit of the doubt due t…
>we have to hold them to realistic standards. Yes, absolutely. That's what needs to start happening with regard to police. You've understood perfectly.
Do you think that police are held to lower or higher standards than medical professionals?
Re: Event-level prediction of urban crime reveals a enforcement bias in US cities
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Minority police shoot members of their own minority more often than whites though, so this policy would likely mean more dead black men https://www.rutgers.edu/news/bad-policing-bad-law-not-bad-ap... That's the data, not my opinion.
Yes, but fewer cities would burn as a result.
ah yes the burning cities !
Re: Event-level prediction of urban crime reveals a enforcement bias in US cities
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Korean immigrants found that out the hard way almost 30 years ago in LA.
No they knew. It’s just that riots don’t happen that often so they were willing to take the risk and the opportunity cost since other Americans wouldn’t do it.
how would they have known? they were counting on soldiers to save them but were pretty much left to dry. it was only after they started shooting back at looters (who were also armed) it sank in.
Re: Event-level prediction of urban crime reveals a enforcement bias in US cities
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Half the officers charged over Freddie Gray's death were black. No one was less mad over it because of that. The system can be racist even if its constituents aren't. It shouldn't be a new or unfamiliar idea to anyone here that complex systems can have unexpected outcomes, biases, and emergent properties.
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your evil comment copied in case you edit
"They chimped much harder over St Floyd."
Re: Event-level prediction of urban crime reveals a enforcement bias in US cities
#60So, they fit a fancy model, played with it, and claim the result says something about the real world? I have never seen a valid social science result derived by this method. This is just fancy model lovers dabbling. If the patterns they claim are real, they can be exposed with much simpler and direct methods. Let's talk after that's been done.
Is fancy supposed to be derogatory in this statement?
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