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Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by bowsamic »

adamrezich wrote: post #34

previously: "SQLite: Code of Ethics" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26547201 (March 22, 2021 — 37 points, 23 comments) "SQLite updated Code of Conduct" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18313131 (October 26, 2018 — 41 points, 89 comments) "SQLite: Code of Ethics" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18297514 (October 24, 2018 — 34 points, 19 comments) "SQLite: Code of Conduct" https://news.ycombinator.com/it…

Wow, we often complain that HN has degraded, but the comments on that bottom link are very low quality

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by deepsun »

walleeee wrote: post #47
ripley12 wrote: post #24

I'm not religious but I've always liked this; it's fun to think of the SQLite developers as a small monastery. If monasteries can produce beer for the world (see: the Trappists), why not software?

there's an argument monasteries gave birth to the modern European scientific tradition too

Or Ancient Greece (and later Rome), some 500 years before the monasteries.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by ciupicri »

kennywinker wrote: post #26
ciupicri wrote: post #15

It's breeze of fresh air compared to most code of conducts which sound like communist propaganda. This and the Linux code of conflict.

I'm not sure what you think communism is, but: 2. Then, love your neighbor as yourself. 5. Do not steal. 6. Do not covet. 14. Relieve the poor. 15. Clothe the naked. 18. Be a help in times of trouble. 38. Be not lazy. Those are all pretty deeply in line with marxism. Jesus was a communist, after all.

I was talking about the implementation, not what was it supposed to be like. I haven't seen something like "love your neighbor as yourself". On the other hand inclusion and diversity were important topics. Former communist countries have more women in STEM.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by defenestration »

wyager wrote: post #40
ripley12 wrote: post #24

I'm not religious but I've always liked this; it's fun to think of the SQLite developers as a small monastery. If monasteries can produce beer for the world (see: the Trappists), why not software?

If software engineering was available as a monastic vocation, we'd probably have a lot of significantly higher-quality software available. I would much rather use something written by a stylite with an esolang compiler than shat out by 100 poorly-coordinated javascript devs at MEGACORP.

There is a truth hidden in here. I would love to spend time at a monastry and code.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by dash2 »

adamgordonbell wrote: post #18

Before I got to talk with Richard, I found many things online about his Christian values and public domain license and how odd it was. And I thought this was THE fascinating thing about Richard that led to the database and other things. But then I talked to him. He's a great engineer but a regular guy running a business around a thing he built. He gets to be a bit whimsical because he can. He can use his own source c…

That's a great interview - so interesting not just on Richard but also on the early history of Android and mobile phone development. He seems like the best kind of libertarian, not just "oh give me lower taxes" but "I want to be free and I'm gonna pay the price to do that".

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by yodon »

iasay wrote: post #29

This scares me slightly. When I see a code of ethics bound to faith, I have to wonder what happens if the faith disappears. Experience says lots of people get hurt. I don't wish that on anyone. Ethical stance must stand alone unconditionally. As for the actual rules, picking one in particular, respecting someone purely for being senior is stupid. Respect is simply earned. I respect more people younger and in more jun…

>When I see a code of ethics bound to faith, I have to wonder what happens if the faith disappears.

Let's do the math:

Christianity has been around for around two orders of magnitude longer than any of the compilers or dev tools you're using on your project.

There are probably three orders of magnitude more people who use Christianity than are using any of the languages used in your project.

There are probably six orders of magnitude more priests and churches than there are maintainers on all but the top 1% of libraries (open source or closed source) you're using on your project.

I'm pretty sure the complete disappearance of Christianity from the face of the earth is not the highest probability risk to worry about for your project, and if it were to completely disappear there would probably be enough other stuff going along with that disappearance that we probably all have bigger things on our mind than the code of ethics published by a software team.

If the concern is just "what if the maintainers give up on Christianity," they're probably far more likely to get tired of programming (that happens far more often), but we can observe that their need to make a PR to edit their own code of conduct is not really going to be a particularly hard thing for them to pull off.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by walleeee »

deepsun wrote: post #52
walleeee wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's an argument monasteries gave birth to the modern European scientific tradition too

Or Ancient Greece (and later Rome), some 500 years before the monasteries.

Sure, guess I should say *modern European, or perhaps English

Bacon, Grosseteste, etc

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by Lio »

sorokod wrote: post #45
ripley12 wrote: post #24

I'm not religious but I've always liked this; it's fun to think of the SQLite developers as a small monastery. If monasteries can produce beer for the world (see: the Trappists), why not software?

A path "Anathem" did not explore.What would millenarians do with a software project?

Of course not. That would be strictly something for the Ita to deal with. :D

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by voxl »

ciupicri wrote: post #15

It's breeze of fresh air compared to most code of conducts which sound like communist propaganda. This and the Linux code of conflict.

Right, instead it's just Christian Fundamentalism, not like the U.S. doesn't have a problem with that

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by jimbob45 »

molyss wrote: post #11

seeing as some people have already added some comments criticizing the code of conduct, I thought I'd add what I think is the most important parts of that code of Ethics : > No one is required to follow The Rule [...] or even think that [it] is a good idea. [...] anyone is free to dispute or ignore that idea [...] > This is a one-way promise [...]. the developers are saying "we will treat you this way regardless of h…

Except for all the current developers which makes it seem like Christianity is a prerequisite for getting hired or contributing.

I get frustrated at the SJW CoCs but this is arguably just as bad or worse.

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