Many countries that access my company site still use some version of IE (France and Japan come to mind). But they are still on Win7 too.
Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support
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#52I didn't realize that it was still alive, and that some devs were still maintaining it. I am wondering if there were still apps out there in the corp world that would only work with ie11, even if just for blocking other agents.
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#53So much effort from Microsoft to take over the web. They spent so much money and time on hurting all other browsers and web standards and for what?
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Look like browsers can only exist as monopoly.
Firefox rose to power because people like you and me used it. We told people to use it. This can happen again, we just need to collectively stop feeding these monopoly wannabes.
Firefox was also clearly a better user experience at the time, which made it much easier to convince people to switch.
I switched back to Firefox a while ago for ideological reasons, but the majority of people are not going to switch to something that is more or less the same, just without their bookmarks, passwords and history.
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#55Having lived through the MS/IE6 era of being the monopoly web browser, and effectively determined and held back web standards for a long time, it's bittersweet that we now have Google/Chrome era. At least it's not hard wired into the OS and we're not going through another era of mega-corp hard wiring browsers into their OSes any more. Oh wait.
Do you remember how we got into the IE6 situation?
IE was actually very innovative, did stuff like AJAX before everyone else and the developers adopted the ways of IE. Websites did not work well on other browsers, every website had a disclaimer at the bottom: Works best in IE.
Now I see similar situation with Chrome and gives me goosebumps. Some people say that Safari is the new IE but I think they got it wrong, I think the new IE is Google Chrome.
IE become bad when Microsoft dropped the ball and made it into a browser with a reputation to crash all the time and bring down Windows with it.
IE6 was hated by the developers because it had the largest userbase but had non-standart features, which meant that CSS and HTML and JS had to be written in a way to accommodate IE and Mozilla.
Today Chrome is very good but if Google takes something from the Microsoft playbook, we will be screwed. Some already say that Chrome is not what it used to be and Google no longer abides by the "do no evil" motto. They are even notorious to favour their own services, i.e. if you sign in into a Google website, Chrome treats that website differently than the rest, assumes that session as the browser account.
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#56Having lived through the MS/IE6 era of being the monopoly web browser, and effectively determined and held back web standards for a long time, it's bittersweet that we now have Google/Chrome era. At least it's not hard wired into the OS and we're not going through another era of mega-corp hard wiring browsers into their OSes any more. Oh wait.
Say what you will (I am a sole firefox user for a decade +), at least chrome keeps improving and having development. Now that the web is more of a "VM in a window for applications", it's _not_ like the IE era of no updates, buggy crap, un-debuggable, etc.
No, instead it's a world of "works ~~best~~ only in Google Chrome" where other browser engines have no chance to claw back marketshare.
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#57Does anyone work in an “enterprise” environment who have been dreading this day? Any apps / mainframes / industrials systems that needs IE to run?
I used it to authenticate against some webdav intranet sites hosted on Sharepoint Online. Formerly on a SSO standard windows AD integrated system you needed to open internet explorer once. It did some arcane voodoo in the background you didn't need to do anything with it, just close it again. But if you did that you could connect to Sharepoint sites through the file explorer via webdav. This process needed to be repe…
Probably getting you a kerberos ticket (which would subsequently be available to other services like explorer). Hitting it with another browser (which need to be configured to use Kerberos) probably led to an NTLM auth in response to the Negotiate header. NTLM isn’t a global credential and doesn’t get a kerberos ticket.
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#58First time I ever wanted to embed an image into a HN comment. This image is so fitting! https://i.imgur.com/MgGvQHH.png
And for more IE-related humor, I recommend the following webcomic: https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/internet-explorer/list...
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#59Does anyone work in an “enterprise” environment who have been dreading this day? Any apps / mainframes / industrials systems that needs IE to run?
FWIW I don’t think this changes anything, as those same usages often run on out-of-support versions of Windows too that are never updated. It usually doesn’t matter - if it works, then it works.
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#60Having lived through the MS/IE6 era of being the monopoly web browser, and effectively determined and held back web standards for a long time, it's bittersweet that we now have Google/Chrome era. At least it's not hard wired into the OS and we're not going through another era of mega-corp hard wiring browsers into their OSes any more. Oh wait.
Now we have Safari...
The situation with Safari is nothing like what we had back in the IE6 days. It was like developing for multiple platforms, not just a multiple browsers.
Thats not to say Safari isn’t dragging it’s heals, but it looks like Apple are finally ramping up development speed. I gather they have been expanding the Safari dev team, and the latest announcements at WWDC look really good.
I actually use Safari as my primary browser, I prefer it (as a user) to Chrome. Although for debugging Chrome dev tools are better, I probably open it 2-3 times a day to check stuff, but never leave it running.