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Re: Is IPv6 faster than IPv4?

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I still can't get away from this sensation that no matter how good IPv6 is, the ship has sailed. The inferior but indisputably cheaper technology won out over the technically superior one. VHS vs Betamax. Ethernet over Token Ring.

IPv6 adoption continues to rise. It just takes absolutely forever to shift the fundamental protocols of something as big as the Internet. The time required for the transition was vastly underestimated.

Re: Is IPv6 faster than IPv4?

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At Netflix, we found in quite a few networks IPv6 had much better QoE than IPv4. In a limited number of cases, IPv6 was very broken. It was almost always equal or better.

Did you have a sense of whether QoE diverged due to differences in the networking equipment or differences in the protocol itself?

There's an awful lot of very old IPv4 equipment still hanging around, but most of the IPv6 stuff is newer - so if IPv6 is working it's probably a more recent piece of hardware.

Re: Is IPv6 faster than IPv4?

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I still can't get away from this sensation that no matter how good IPv6 is, the ship has sailed. The inferior but indisputably cheaper technology won out over the technically superior one. VHS vs Betamax. Ethernet over Token Ring.

IPv6 adoption isn't a matter of preference or price, it's an inevitability. We can do tricks like NAT all we want, fact of the matter is: Every day, more and more devices that require a public address, connect to The Internet.

Once the address space is exhausted, the only choices are: IPv6 or no new devices. Since the latter isn't an option, IPv6 is inevitable.

Re: Is IPv6 faster than IPv4?

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Yet, while people keep saying that, ipv6 adoption only goes up every month. I'm having a hard time accepting "the ship has sailed" while my home outbound connections use ipv6 for more and more endpoints.

All the cloud provider VPCs seem inextriciably linked to IP4 config, which seems to work great. Maybe the low level infrastructure is IP6, but we dont operate at that level.

I'm starting to think the cloud providers are hoarding IPv4 addresses and see them as an asset, and don't want to "rock the boat".

Re: Is IPv6 faster than IPv4?

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You're talking about displacing an incumbent, not competing technologies. IPv6 will win, once people stop sitting on their hands. Companies now are being effectively forced to adopt it due to exhaustion of the range.. CGNAT is bigger than ever and is causing real issues so most phones are dual homed with IPv6 behind a v4 CGNAT. Like climate change, its a "future problem" until its practically staring you in the face,…

All cheap stuff will support IPv6 due to China mandating full IPv6 support. I suspect China will eventually drag the kicking and screaming west to IPv6-land.

When China mandates shutting off IPv4 internally is when we'll see a flurry of activity, but that's probably still years away.

Re: Is IPv6 faster than IPv4?

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A poor link - a book written by Huwaei doesn't scream "This is a widely used standard" Wikipedia would be a far better link, as it has links to RFCs, Cisco, Juniper Arista etc pages on it, and generally lets normal people who likely haven't heard of it read about it

Sheesh, it take real guts to dismiss a book written by engineers who themselves directly involved in coming up with open industry networking standards, and currently working with arguably the biggest networking and communication company in the world. This take the idiom of "judge a book by its cover" to a whole new level.

There has been a long history of Huawei stealing IP as well as generating less than useful drafts/standards in the IETF. There are very real reasons to judge this book by its cover.

Re: Is IPv6 faster than IPv4?

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I still can't get away from this sensation that no matter how good IPv6 is, the ship has sailed. The inferior but indisputably cheaper technology won out over the technically superior one. VHS vs Betamax. Ethernet over Token Ring.

Yet, while people keep saying that, ipv6 adoption only goes up every month. I'm having a hard time accepting "the ship has sailed" while my home outbound connections use ipv6 for more and more endpoints.

IPV6's address space starts to make a hell of a lot of sense when you look at microsegmentation. And by that I mean you don't need to deploy carrier-grade NAT behind your firewall to mask reuse of one of IPV4 class A networks.

Re: Is IPv6 faster than IPv4?

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Facebook, Deutche Telecom (Terastream), and other huge players I can't mention because NDA.

Any tips on how they're doing DNS64/NAT64? Last I looked, TAYGA was a way to do it with a linux edge router. Do folks use Google's DNS64 resolver?

T-Mobile US does 464XLAT and wrote RFC6877 on it: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6877

There's a lot more info on how its done if you search 464XLAT on the web.

Re: Is IPv6 faster than IPv4?

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Yes sure MPLS works as combustion engines work as long we can remember, but it's not stopping EV as a new contender as the near future vehicle platform whether we like it or not. Now we have hybrid MPLS or SR-MPLS as a stopgap measure similar to what we have now with PHEV, etc. Personally I think the networking industry has already learned their mistakes from the ATM days and hopefully SRv6 will take off for better a…

I don't understand what this means. This was not a defence of MPLS, but rather an observation that says that the fundamental domains and business logic around externally-selected TE paths do not change because we change what header instructs the network to steer packets. It's still not going to make sense to have external users try and use the "premium" paths in the network without some recompense to keep scaling the…

Let's us step back and look into the current mess of the existing IP networks with all the duct tapes involved (looking at you NAT). Any QoS that the end users probably want is only make dollar sense for the big companies that's why we have the fine print of best-effort services written in almost all the Telcos' EULA. What IPv6 based technology for example SRv6 is doing is trying to democratize QoS so that it's hopefully affordable to the average Joe. Perhaps it's still a pipe dream at the moment but given the current situations I will take SRv6 over MPLS, or any expensive TE any day. My networking utopia will be a local-first software with cloud vendors and Telcos independence that can utilize the networks based on their required and necessary QoS. I foresee that the best way of going forward is based on this new promising and more affordable technology that the incumbent technology cannot provide.
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