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Tell HN: Google does not list application permissions in the Play Store any more

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Re: Tell HN: Google does not list application permissions in the Play Store any more

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No, they just entomb you into a comfy walled garden where it's only easy to do what Apple lets you do and where you hope some change made by some nameless product manager/CEO autocrat doesn't force you to buy more expensive hardware.

Yeah, it's pretty great. Best walled garden on the market by a country mile.

> Yeah, it's pretty great. Best walled garden on the market by a country mile.

a lot of us avoid supporting such behavior from corporations because we view it as unethical or immoral and damaging to the sector in general -- regardless of how good the ux/ui may be.

Re: Tell HN: Google does not list application permissions in the Play Store any more

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It's funny how smart yet dumb A/B testing is. On one hand you can intelligently gauge the effect of changes, on the other hand you can push stupid shit since you have that power. How about intelligently designing applications that you yourself want to use? Too hard.

There are facts about human behavior which can only be learned by actually testing them. People are complex in ways that you, whilst sitting at your keyboard, cannot figure out.

All which can be learned through focus groups and internal feedback, no need to further confuse and frustrate your users.

Re: Tell HN: Google does not list application permissions in the Play Store any more

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> They had implemented that already a while ago, then reverted the behaviour, and now implemented it once again. This is, among many other reasons, why I finally dropped Android after the better part of a decade. The constant A/B/C/D/E testing makes every single thing they put out feel like it's a constant state of beta testing. It's to the point where you don't even know what to expect when you do something as funda…

The alternative is iOS, a more consistent UI/UX, but you lose out on projects like F-Droid, where you can bypass Google HQ nonsense.

Re: Tell HN: Google does not list application permissions in the Play Store any more

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You are right, but that doesn't seem like a good excuse to remove that information from the Play Store completely. It would be trivial for the Android APIs to require that all permissions requested programmatically are also present in the manifest. This would continue to give user's a picture of what the app could/would request. They could just change their play store listing from "Required permissions" to "Permissio…

IIRC it's already in the manifest.

Yup, you must _both_ put the perms in your manifest, and then _also_ request them at runtime now (at least for many "sensitive" ones... not sure if there are exceptions for any others.)

Google's docs are very clear that apps are meant to explain the need for perms, and the impact of denying them at runtime... I'd love to see the play store to also provide publishers a way to specify what the impact/loss of features is if you deny them at runtime. Trustworthy publishers would love this, and the non-trustworthy ones... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Tell HN: Google does not list application permissions in the Play Store any more

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I heard a phrase a while back: “the subtle gaslighting of A/B testing” - that feeling that you’re pretty sure that button used to be over there, or the app used to have that function, but not entirely sure, because one day it’s just Different, no release or upgrade or reinstall, just - it’s not the same anymore - or, is it?

This is super frustrating. I’ve described it like feeling like you have Alzheimer’s as everything changes all the time.

My wife once handed me her newer-model android phone to fix something for her. I thought I was having a stroke because I couldn't find the settings icon anymore.

Re: Tell HN: Google does not list application permissions in the Play Store any more

#56

LineageOS. Or Murena, if you can't be bothered to install it yourself. And then use f-droid, or if it's not available there, Aurora store. As seen on computers, OS is too important to be left to companies - if you value your freedom of choice and privacy, that is.

I am very much fed up and ready to get on board with you but one thing that holds me back is photo quality.

Nowadays camera sensors are only half the story and most of the iphone-like photo quality is achieved in software.

Have we reached a point where non-OEM apps can deliver something comparable to the market expectations from big manufacturers?

I am ok with narrow combinations e.g. if you use app X on Hardware Y you have amazing photo results.

Is there something along those lines that anyone can recommend?

Re: Tell HN: Google does not list application permissions in the Play Store any more

#57
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Probably because all apps are now required to target the latest api, which means most permissions are done by user prompts, and not just by downloading the app.

The iPhone has worked like that (to various degrees) for a long time. But Apple still added their privacy label things to tell me if an app is going to try to track my location. I don’t want to download a clipboard helper of some kind and find out it’s going to ask for my GPS coordinates. I want to know ahead of time.

Privacy labels are something very different and Play Store has (or will soon have?) that as well.

Re: Tell HN: Google does not list application permissions in the Play Store any more

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There are facts about human behavior which can only be learned by actually testing them. People are complex in ways that you, whilst sitting at your keyboard, cannot figure out.

All which can be learned through focus groups and internal feedback, no need to further confuse and frustrate your users.

After you have the engine running, the marginal cost of an A/B is probably smaller than a focus group test. So if you really believe in focus groups for the results and you are also ambitious enough - probably this means go for A/B.

Disclaimer: just thinking, not knowing the costs

Re: Tell HN: Google does not list application permissions in the Play Store any more

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> They had implemented that already a while ago, then reverted the behaviour, and now implemented it once again. This is, among many other reasons, why I finally dropped Android after the better part of a decade. The constant A/B/C/D/E testing makes every single thing they put out feel like it's a constant state of beta testing. It's to the point where you don't even know what to expect when you do something as funda…

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