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Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller
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Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller
#52I was expecting this. Apple can't possibly match Samsung with all their smartphone price ranges, and it's only the beginning for Samsung. There are a lot more "units" to be sold in the under $150 level. That's where the biggest volume will come from. I also expect them to surpass Nokia in all phone shipments, too (they already did in smartphones). But it might take a few more quarters. Nokia will transition too slowl…
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Sure they have, and as long as we count parts and phones, rather than revenues, or better yet, profits, they will always be "bigger" than Apple, in that sense. I have a feeling they'd rather be more profitable though.
As a consumer, I think I'd rather buy from the guy that's, yes, profitable, so they don't disappear, but not the one that's making quite so huge margins on the stuff they sell me.
Sorry, but that seems dumb.
You'd rather pay $100 for a flash drive to the guy that only makes 10% on them because of his low volume or bad logistics, than pay $80 for the flash drive to the guy that makes 50% margin because he's the high volume buyer and has great logistics?
Me, I'd rather pay less for the best, and if that guy has better margins, so much the better.
Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller
#54Apple never set out to make the most smartphones, it just kind of happened. They set out to make the most money. Samsung are a fair distance from achieving that.
"When Steve Jobs introduced the iPhone to the world in 2007, he mentioned that Apple had set a goal for itself to reach one percent of the mobile phone market share."
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--http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/01/iphone-passes-1-pe...
Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller
#55Apple never set out to make the most smartphones, it just kind of happened. They set out to make the most money. Samsung are a fair distance from achieving that.
"They set out to make the most money." It really worries me that there's a new breed of Apple fan that actually believes this. In reality they set out to build the best device (for affluent, white, middle-aged, American males with a taste for minimalism) and semi-accidentally became fashionable status symbols. The crowing about making the most money was just fanboy bragging because every other stat they bragged about…
"for affluent, white, middle-aged, American males with a taste for minimalism"
So what do you reckon, what would a perfect smartphone for black, middle-aged American males look like?
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Asymco smartphone profit league table updated for Q3: http://pic.twitter.com/rIO0siLf Edit: See also: http://www.asymco.com/hire-me/vendor-bubbles/
Your graph appears to show Samsung overtaking RIM and Nokia in profits and moving into second place as its smartphone marketshare grows to be the largest (it overtook them both in marketshare during the last year). Do you think that supports your point or mine? As a reminder my point was that "I'm equally confident that their profits from smartphones are large and growing quickly" . (The bubbles' seem to paint the sa…
The article is about Samsung overtaking Apple in shipments (vs sales).
I was pointing out they they have not overtaken in profits. The two points are not mutually exclusive.
Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a consumer, I think I'd rather buy from the guy that's, yes, profitable, so they don't disappear, but not the one that's making quite so huge margins on the stuff they sell me.
Sorry, but that seems dumb. You'd rather pay $100 for a flash drive to the guy that only makes 10% on them because of his low volume or bad logistics, than pay $80 for the flash drive to the guy that makes 50% margin because he's the high volume buyer and has great logistics? Me, I'd rather pay less for the best, and if that guy has better margins, so much the better.
What if the guy that makes 10% on them doesn't earn more because his drives are made to last longer and he provides better working condition in his factories? Not saying that Samsung is like that, but there are plenty of reason beyond volume and logistics to justify different margins.
Re: Samsung Overtakes Apple as World’s Biggest Smartphone Seller
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
"They set out to make the most money." It really worries me that there's a new breed of Apple fan that actually believes this. In reality they set out to build the best device (for affluent, white, middle-aged, American males with a taste for minimalism) and semi-accidentally became fashionable status symbols. The crowing about making the most money was just fanboy bragging because every other stat they bragged about…
"for affluent, white, middle-aged, American males with a taste for minimalism" So what do you reckon, what would a perfect smartphone for black, middle-aged American males look like?
For the last few years, if you add "part of the hip hop culture", it's been a Blackberry.
Recently, I've seen a lot more high end Android devices, but a few of my friends have gone back to flip phones surprisingly.
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As a consumer, I think I'd rather buy from the guy that's, yes, profitable, so they don't disappear, but not the one that's making quite so huge margins on the stuff they sell me.
Huge margins tend to come from good software, and I would much rather have better software than care what the manufacture's costs are.
As ramchip says below, there are a zillion reasons why high margins may happen, including some that are "good", and some that are "bad". All other things being mostly equal, I'd go for the guy who's not making as much money off of me, because that means that more of the value is accruing to me, rather than to him. Simple as that.
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So you're upset that Apple fans are claiming that Apple set out to make a lot of money instead of claiming they set out to make the best device? That sounds backwards to me.
I guess the beef is that the metric keeps changing. Before Android took over the market crown it was all about unit sales and marketshare percentage that everyone touted. Once Android took over, the metric changed. For example, Windows Server makes billions per quarter and probably is the Server OS that makes the most money for it's maker. But you won't find that argument on HN to say that Windows Server dominates th…
Before Android took over the market crown, RIM held the market crown.
Sure MS might not have a viable presence in servers, but if they are making more money doing it than anyone else... by definition, they are winning. They aren't going to pack-up a billion-dollar-per-quarter sector of their company because they don't have the market share numbers they'd like. If anything, having such a successful business with such a small market share represents potential growth.