Seems like a problem that will solve itself eventually, admittedly with much collateral damage.
U.S. death rates show how politics are affecting public health
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#52TL;DR Owners of Aston Martins live 10 years longer. Implication: if you buy one, you too will live longer. This example of pseudo logic is very popular in politics because most voters struggle with logic, but love to look smart, so pseudo logic aopeals to them.
> pseudo logic facts don't care about your feelings; red states average higher obesity rates.
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#53> Black Americans experienced largely similar improvement in AAMR in both Democratic and Republican counties. Doesn't this prove that it is something other than who your county voted for in the last presidential election causing an increase in AAMR? > Rural Republican counties experienced the highest AAMR and the least improvement What if living in a rural area is more of a factor than being a "Repulican county"? Thi…
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Before looking for cause, you always look for plausible co-variates. Here, there are a ton: red counties tend to be rural. Rural places have huge problems with health care access, obesity, addiction, poverty, and many other issues that predict poor health outcome.
That would only explain a point in time state of affairs but not why they observed the effect widen along party lines. Their theory was that blue areas expanded medicare and red areas didn't but there could be others.
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#55> Black Americans experienced largely similar improvement in AAMR in both Democratic and Republican counties. Doesn't this prove that it is something other than who your county voted for in the last presidential election causing an increase in AAMR? > Rural Republican counties experienced the highest AAMR and the least improvement What if living in a rural area is more of a factor than being a "Repulican county"? Thi…
What are you quoting? I can't find the phrase "AAMR" in the article at all. Nor "Black Americans."
>What is perhaps most telling in our study is that while both Black and Hispanic Americans experienced largely similar gains in health regardless of what political environment they lived in, with Black residents of Democratic areas experiencing the greatest reduction in deaths rates of any major racial-ethnic group, the sharpest divide is seen among white Americans. In fact, the fourfold growth in the gap in death rates between white residents of Democratic and Republican areas seems to be driving most of the overall expanding chasm between Democratic and Republican areas.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s access to care after 2008, democratic areas expanded it, republicans didn’t.
Sorry I forgot to specify that I commented on the paper mentioned in the start of the second paragraph. That study only looks at voting patterns and mortality. I'm sympathetic to Warraich's position, but its weak that he combines the conclusions of the voter patterns and access-to-care study in an opinion article and not in a peer reviewed paper. Hopefully one is in preparation.
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#57> Black Americans experienced largely similar improvement in AAMR in both Democratic and Republican counties. Doesn't this prove that it is something other than who your county voted for in the last presidential election causing an increase in AAMR? > Rural Republican counties experienced the highest AAMR and the least improvement What if living in a rural area is more of a factor than being a "Repulican county"? Thi…
The study controlled for that.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Surely the solution is for Democrats to force themselves on Republicans, who should accept this imposition of control for their own good.
The author specifically said that the solution is to find a less partisan approach. Who are you arguing with?
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#59I'm not even sure why you would attempt a study like this. It purely observational driven. There is no way to gauge whether the opposite parties policies would have resulted in more/less deaths. For all we know the decision made at the time (even with deaths) was the best possible outcome.
upvote and amplify this -- there are hundreds of massive factors that are not at all causative via political voting. I have heard obesity rates mentioned in other comments, and that is consistent with trends I have seen. edit: hah- I said "obesity" and "massive factors" .. B&B score
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#60"In this national analysis, we found that Americans living in counties that voted Democratic during presidential elections from 2000 to 2016 experienced lower age adjusted mortality rates (AAMRs) than residents of counties that voted for a Republican candidate, and these patterns were *consistent across subgroups (sex, race and ethnicity, urban-rural location).*"
I.e. many of the tried and true methods of "explaining away" a study's result does not apply.