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Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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JamesBarney wrote: post #27

The problem with a study like this is that they probably aren't doing a good job distinguish true long covid from psychosomatic long covid. And there is a lot of evidence that "long covid" correlates much more highly with pre-existing anxiety levels than disease severity. I think long covid exists I just think there is also a lot of psychosomatic long covid and until we have a good diagnostic criteria to differentiat…

The media wants you to believe that the vaccine protects against longterm covid. If it doesn't many people would skip the upcoming 4th, 5th, 6th round because it is providing no additional protection against the latest variants.

But here is an actual study that goes against this story. Will you believe science or myth? Are there enough excuses to keep the myth alive?

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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croes wrote: post #35
swayvil wrote: post #3

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The same some people claimed for sportmen especially footballers but the statistics of e.g. FIFA showed the opposite. People only pay more attention to.

Without drawing any conclusions... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballer...

There were a lot more sudden deaths in football in 2021 than in any other year.

Could be:

1. Increased sudden heart failure due to Covid

2. Increased sudden heart failure due to vaccines

3. No increase in sudden heart failure, but in 2021 we observed and catalogued cases more meticulously than ever

4. Something else, unrelated to covid or vaccines

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by micromacrofoot »

tuckerpo wrote: post #15
SeanLuke wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what universe would getting vaccinated be getting conned? It's the smartest thing you could have done. AFAIK covid vaccines are not connected with heart issues beyond rather rare and generally mild cases of myocarditis, but getting covid is strongly connected to heart problems.

Is it really fair to call any form of cardiovascular dysfunction "mild"?

Yes. In the rare instance of myocarditis post vaccination... most patients recovered after rest and medication. No other intervention necessary.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/my...

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by kosherhurricane »

encoderer wrote: post #36
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What were they even right about with the vaccine? The things it was tested for. Preventing hospitalization and death from Covid. Which the Pfizer, Moderna and even J&J shots are terrifically good at. > credibility is going to be lost if we don’t pull heads out of butts So? The people who matter mostly got the message. People who wanted protection mostly got it.

I have taken both jnj and Moderna. But I have to admit that the grandparent has a point. It feels it’s almost heretical to say, but the vaccines were terribly over-sold. In the beginning they were sold as traditional vaccines - prevention against infection not just serious disease. But very soon we saw “breakthrough infections” (not even written about anymore as they are so common) and the goal posts started being mo…

Covid was a novel virus, which means it was and still is a poorly understood virus.

Vaccines came out fast and worked well because we had a new tech platform (mRNA).

But it’s starting to look like sarscov2 has immunity evading abilities, which is something that scientists were not able to work out until now.

The immunity evading ability should scare everyone at this point, but humans don’t do well with long term bad news when short term pain is involved.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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smt88 wrote: post #2

There are no conclusions to draw here. The study doesn't "show" anything -- it indicates a need for further research. I'm disappointed that Nature.com is engaging in this kind of sensational journalism. From their own article: > He praises the study, which was difficult to perform because of the amount and quality of data, but adds that it is limited because it does not break the data down by key factors, such as the…

What medications cause anxiety and depression?

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Post by ipaddr »

Angostura wrote: post #50
robonerd wrote: post #13

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That's the impression I get from the media. But if not for the media, I wouldn't know anybody was dying of anything. Nobody in any of my social circles have died in over 3 years. Going off what I've personally observed, I've seen no evidence of either a pandemic or the vaccines being dangerous. To be clear, I don't think it's all made up. Just that it's been blown up, completely out of proportion. All of it.

You either believe the statistics, or you don't - but your anecdata is meaningless. The excess mortality figures tell you need to know.

How do you subtract the number of deaths caused by the vaccine itself?

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Post by reportingsjr »

hda111 wrote: post #56
smt88 wrote: post #2

There are no conclusions to draw here. The study doesn't "show" anything -- it indicates a need for further research. I'm disappointed that Nature.com is engaging in this kind of sensational journalism. From their own article: > He praises the study, which was difficult to perform because of the amount and quality of data, but adds that it is limited because it does not break the data down by key factors, such as the…

What medications cause anxiety and depression?

Birth control among many other medications.

Re: Long Covid risk falls only slightly after vaccination, study shows

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Post by ipaddr »

swayvil wrote: post #18
robonerd wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the impression I get from the media. But if not for the media, I wouldn't know anybody was dying of anything. Nobody in any of my social circles have died in over 3 years. Going off what I've personally observed, I've seen no evidence of either a pandemic or the vaccines being dangerous. To be clear, I don't think it's all made up. Just that it's been blown up, completely out of proportion. All of it.

I had 2 die in family past year. Both rigorously vaxxed. Both sudden unexpected heart failure.

The more vaxxed the greater the risk of death from the stress the vaccine puts on the body.
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