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The story behind Beethoven's “Ode to Joy”

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Re: The story behind Beethoven's “Ode to Joy”

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> As a teenager, while auditing Kant’s lectures at the University of Bonn

This is not correct. Kant never left the vicinity of Königsberg.[1] Instead, Beethoven was briefly attenting lectures by Eulogius Schneider.[2]

[1] Here is a map: https://www.online.uni-marburg.de/kant_old/bilder/planstrk.j...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eulogius_Schneider

Re: The story behind Beethoven's “Ode to Joy”

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Most people don't understand special relativity, much less general (or the photoelectric effect) so it's not at all a given that Einstein will remain a household name. Nowadays "Hitler" is the default bad guy but before him it was "Napoleon" in much of Europe, and before that "Pharaoh". I'm pretty sure the same will happen to $DEFAULT_SMART_GUY

We (collectively) remember Newton, even if the average person doesn't understand gravity beyond "keeps us on the ground" or calculus. We can go back thousands of years and we still remember Pythagoras. Einstein's association with nuclear energy will be what keeps his memory alive.

I am not claiming that Einstein will be forgotten, only challenging the conjecture that he will be a figure well known and cited by the general public. I really doubt that most people on the street would remember even having heard of Newton, much less referring to him in any context.

Don’t worry, the same will be true of kardashians, probably sooner than It happens to Einstein.

Re: The story behind Beethoven's “Ode to Joy”

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Symphony No. 9 was composed between 1822 and 1824, so around 200 years ago. It probably will still be as popular in 300 years time, but that is not a given. It is hard to say what society will look like and value 300 years from now. I cite math papers written in the 19th century, and I suspect many people here will write math or comp sci-related papers cited in 200 years time. Certainly the contributions of contempor…

I think a name like Einstein will stick around though. It's too embedded in the public consciousness to disappear, and his breakthroughs are too big to forget.

In some animated cartoon, a character who sounds like a stereotype of an NYC construction worker complains to someone who cut the line: “Hey Copernicus! Navigate yourself to the back of the line!”

Re: The story behind Beethoven's “Ode to Joy”

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Symphony No. 9 was composed between 1822 and 1824, so around 200 years ago. It probably will still be as popular in 300 years time, but that is not a given. It is hard to say what society will look like and value 300 years from now. I cite math papers written in the 19th century, and I suspect many people here will write math or comp sci-related papers cited in 200 years time. Certainly the contributions of contempor…

Beethoven is better than Bach in his life time. The whole classical era is a revolt against complexity. Hence you get the “pop” music of Mozart. Beethoven is an exception than cross many eras. His latest is really not classical but very post-modern. But even him has issue that later need Liszt to have concerts so to have money to keep Beethoven music alive. The sit down and go to a concert hall … it is hard to tell.…

Beethoven bridged the Classical (think Haydn and Mozart) and the Romantic eras of classical music. In his early career was was very Classical, a student of Haydn and interpreter of Mozart. He's often considered the transitional composer between the two periods, and can hardly be considered "Modern," much less post-modern.

He is, of course, timeless.

Re: The story behind Beethoven's “Ode to Joy”

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post #31

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The use of Ode to Joy in A Clockwork Orange is not incidental. In the original novel Alex is obsessed with classical music and Beethoven in particular. When he is subjected to the Ludovico technique it is Ode to Joy that is playing, which renders him unable to enjoy his passion any more.

I haven’t read A Clockwork Orange, but clearly Ludovico is a reference to Ludwig van Beethoven‘s first name.

I wouldn’t say clearly, it could be a reference to Ludovico Sforza… or maybe just to the meaning of “ famous fighter “, which Ludwig also has a similar meaning.

In which case, it is a very clever reference in a way

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