I'm still waiting for more keyboards option on a DIY kit in North America. Seems like a waste for a modular laptop that you can't order one with no keyboard. You have to buy a separate keyboard in the marketplace and throw away the english one.
The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
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#52> We continue to focus on solid Linux support, and we’re happy to share that Fedora 36 works fantastically well out of the box, with full hardware functionality including WiFi and fingerprint reader support. Ubuntu 22.04 also works great after applying a couple of workarounds, and we’re working to eliminate that need. This disclaimer -from a company that picks their hw components none the less- is cold water to Linux…
To be fair to them, _desktop_ Linux is a fair bit easier than laptop Linux. Laptops have many of the components that have been the most neglected/hardest to work with - wifi cards, bluetooth, trackpads, fingerprint readers... All all the worse because there's often less or no choice of provider for the components.
For the most part, on a full desktop, you can avoid most of the need for those, or buy a part that works better.
Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
#53> We continue to focus on solid Linux support, and we’re happy to share that Fedora 36 works fantastically well out of the box, with full hardware functionality including WiFi and fingerprint reader support. Ubuntu 22.04 also works great after applying a couple of workarounds, and we’re working to eliminate that need. This disclaimer -from a company that picks their hw components none the less- is cold water to Linux…
To be fair to Linux on the desktop, one of the major challenges is synchronization between new hardware platforms (12th Gen Intel Core), and distro cycles (22.04). We fully expect that the next point release of 22.04 will have a kernel that works well out of the box with 12th Gen. Fedora seems to more consistently be able to go out with more recent kernels. Fedora 36 with 5.17.6 works smoothly.
Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
#54> We continue to focus on solid Linux support, and we’re happy to share that Fedora 36 works fantastically well out of the box, with full hardware functionality including WiFi and fingerprint reader support. Ubuntu 22.04 also works great after applying a couple of workarounds, and we’re working to eliminate that need. This disclaimer -from a company that picks their hw components none the less- is cold water to Linux…
It is laptop, not desktop ;)
Desktop Linux was historically meant as opposed to server.
Plus, most actual desk tops today feature laptops.
So still a desktop use case: it's just not in "tower" or "mini-tower" or "all-in-one" form.
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#55> We continue to focus on solid Linux support, and we’re happy to share that Fedora 36 works fantastically well out of the box, with full hardware functionality including WiFi and fingerprint reader support. Ubuntu 22.04 also works great after applying a couple of workarounds, and we’re working to eliminate that need. This disclaimer -from a company that picks their hw components none the less- is cold water to Linux…
There's no such operating system as "Linux". I don't know what these "workarounds" are exactly, but if it's something like installing a driver for a fingerprint reader that's present in a standard Fedora distro, but not in a vanilla Ubuntu then I don't see the problem. Of course it won't work out of the box.
Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
#56> We continue to focus on solid Linux support, and we’re happy to share that Fedora 36 works fantastically well out of the box, with full hardware functionality including WiFi and fingerprint reader support. Ubuntu 22.04 also works great after applying a couple of workarounds, and we’re working to eliminate that need. This disclaimer -from a company that picks their hw components none the less- is cold water to Linux…
Well to be fair, no desktop experience is solved if one isn't allowed to apply adjustments for their hardware (drivers, user space tools and whatnot). My experience on Linux certainly isn't flawless, but I have about as many issues whenever I'm handed a Windows laptop as others have trying Linux. Computers suck.
I mean, Apple makes the whole stack, more or less, and I have trouble there, too. So, honestly, yeah. Software is a goddamned disaster.
Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
When we started developing this product last year, we looked at price trends and performance data on DDR4 vs DDR5 and made the bet that DDR5 would have both price and availability issues in 2022. That has turned out to be the case, with DDR5 SO-DIMMs typically going for 50-70% over the equivalent DDR4 capacity, without delivering performance improvements to justify that premium. This is something that will improve in…
When I read this, I got really excited about a company having a well thought out, rational reason for a decision. And then I realized how sad that is.
What makes you think that people at Dell or HP don’t sit around and think about those tradeoffs?
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#58> We continue to focus on solid Linux support, and we’re happy to share that Fedora 36 works fantastically well out of the box, with full hardware functionality including WiFi and fingerprint reader support. Ubuntu 22.04 also works great after applying a couple of workarounds, and we’re working to eliminate that need. This disclaimer -from a company that picks their hw components none the less- is cold water to Linux…
It is laptop, not desktop ;)
Not if you buy the mainboard and mount it in a little desktop case!
Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
#59> We continue to focus on solid Linux support, and we’re happy to share that Fedora 36 works fantastically well out of the box, with full hardware functionality including WiFi and fingerprint reader support. Ubuntu 22.04 also works great after applying a couple of workarounds, and we’re working to eliminate that need. This disclaimer -from a company that picks their hw components none the less- is cold water to Linux…
There's no such operating system as "Linux". I don't know what these "workarounds" are exactly, but if it's something like installing a driver for a fingerprint reader that's present in a standard Fedora distro, but not in a vanilla Ubuntu then I don't see the problem. Of course it won't work out of the box .
We're exploring if there is any other workaround, but it is likely that until a 22.04 point release goes out with a new kernel, it will require installing a newer kernel from Ubuntu's kernel PPA to make suspend work properly.
Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop
#60I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.
Will all software shipped with the hardware when ordered with GNU/Linux be Free or will there be non-Free software such as the BIOS/UEFI?
EDIT: I just realized that you cannot order this laptop with GNU/Linux pre installed. I was mistaken.