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Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Post by MaxGabriel »

9999 wrote: post #6

>keep schools open until 6 Sounds great, how do you fund it? >keep school in session 11 months out of the year Ditto. >let principals hire/fire based on merit Seems legit, do we really have to BREAK the unions to do that? The teacher unions have many legitimate reasons for their existence regardless of some of their negative attributes. >relax regulations on building factories Is that really what's holding manufactur…

On the issue of manufacturing, there's actually alot of evidence about Chinese wages rising in skilled labor, converging with U.S. wages. The U.S. doesn't manufacture textiles or similar goods like China does, but even those jobs are moving to poorer countries than China.

This article [1] provides a succinct explanation: "With Chinese wages rising at about 17 percent per year and the value of the yuan continuing to increase, the gap between U.S. and Chinese wages is narrowing rapidly… Products that require less labor and are churned out in modest volumes, such as household appliances and construction equipment, are most likely to shift to U.S. production...Support from state and local governments can tip the balance.”

[1]http://www.bcg.com/media/pressreleasedetails.aspx?id=tcm:12-...

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Post by commieneko »

mcantelon wrote: post #40
9999 wrote: post #6

>keep schools open until 6 Sounds great, how do you fund it? >keep school in session 11 months out of the year Ditto. >let principals hire/fire based on merit Seems legit, do we really have to BREAK the unions to do that? The teacher unions have many legitimate reasons for their existence regardless of some of their negative attributes. >relax regulations on building factories Is that really what's holding manufactur…

The text "turning Jobs down on making campaign" isn't in the article. It says "he’d become annoyed when Obama’s strategist David Axelrod wasn’t totally deferential" which makes it sound more like Jobs' issues were the barrier to cooperation.

Well, to be blunt, if you are going to get Picasso to design your logo you _don't_ art direct him. And you try your best not to piss him off. Because he's fucking Picasso...

You don't have to use what he makes, but if you want genius, and why else would you want Jobs and his team to design an ad, you ask politely and then get out of the way.

Edit: Somewhere online I read an article about Jobs getting Paul Rand (edited from Milton Glaser) to design the logo for NEXT. Can't find with a quick Google search, but it was a fascinating read.

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Post by sjwright »

dennisgorelik wrote: post #32
y3di wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should he have put Obama on a pedestal instead?

Of course not. But many people still would take subordinate position during in a meeting with the US President.

Which always seemed odd to me. Is he your king? Or was his ascendency based on merit? There's politeness, and I get being star-struck, but beyond that...

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Post by badclient »

brianbreslin wrote: post #43
badclient wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, if 7-8 hours of schooling isn't enough couple more hours won't change much.

but it could reduce the drop in productivity the parents have when they leave work to pick them up? (just brainstorming). OR it can provide for more customized learning/hands on experience for the individual kids.

I'd argue if we better utilize the hours kids spend at school right now we can do all that without needing more hours.

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Post by serge2k »

drink wrote: post #26
9999 wrote: post #6

>keep schools open until 6 Sounds great, how do you fund it? >keep school in session 11 months out of the year Ditto. >let principals hire/fire based on merit Seems legit, do we really have to BREAK the unions to do that? The teacher unions have many legitimate reasons for their existence regardless of some of their negative attributes. >relax regulations on building factories Is that really what's holding manufactur…

Yeah, because an anonymous HN commenter knows more about the state of American education than the guy who ran the company that provided American schools with leading-edge technology for the past 3 decades.

How exactly does selling computers to schools make you an expert in education.

I think it would be better to focus on making schools better rather than just telling students to spend more time at them.

Or have the students there for 40 hours a week, but ban homework. Use the extra time to get it done at school.

Then students will actually do it, and they don't have to worry about it at home anymore. Plus you don't have kids going to school for 40 hours then being expected to do an extra hour of homework at night.

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Post by magicofpi »

commieneko wrote: post #52
mcantelon wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The text "turning Jobs down on making campaign" isn't in the article. It says "he’d become annoyed when Obama’s strategist David Axelrod wasn’t totally deferential" which makes it sound more like Jobs' issues were the barrier to cooperation.

Well, to be blunt, if you are going to get Picasso to design your logo you _don't_ art direct him. And you try your best not to piss him off. Because he's fucking Picasso... You don't have to use what he makes, but if you want genius, and why else would you want Jobs and his team to design an ad, you ask politely and then get out of the way. Edit: Somewhere online I read an article about Jobs getting Paul Rand (edite…

It was Paul Rand who designed NEXT's logo: http://imprint.printmag.com/branding/paul-rand-steve-jobs/ . And here's Steve Jobs talking about Rand: http://512pixels.net/steve-jobs-on-paul-rand/

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Post by gte910h »

protomyth wrote: post #50
gte910h wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, for lower income student it has * stupendously* good outcomes.

I would be interested in what studies this information comes from and what locales it was done in.

http://www.pbs.org/makingschoolswork/sbs/kipp/index.html is something about it

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Post by angus77 »

loggedintocom wrote: post #29
outworlder wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>keep schools open until 6 >Sounds great, how do you fund it? Reduce the "defense" budget. I wouldn't be surprised if you did the calculations and found out that schools could be open 24/7 with minor tweaks to the budget allocation. It is not a matter of funding, it is only a matter of priorities. Education and research should be first on the list. I believe Jobs was right, once again.

Is there any research that indicates that more time in school leads to better educational outcomes?

I don't have hard numbers, but I wold like to point out that Japanese students spend more days per year and longer hours in school, as well as hours of cram school on top of it for most of them, than Canadian schools, and yet Canadian students overall end up ranked higher on than Japanese students on every ranking I've ever seen.

Canadian schools also spend more than $3000 per student per year on average than American schools.

What American schools need is more quality, not more quantity.

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Post by commieneko »

magicofpi wrote: post #56
commieneko wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, to be blunt, if you are going to get Picasso to design your logo you _don't_ art direct him. And you try your best not to piss him off. Because he's fucking Picasso... You don't have to use what he makes, but if you want genius, and why else would you want Jobs and his team to design an ad, you ask politely and then get out of the way. Edit: Somewhere online I read an article about Jobs getting Paul Rand (edite…

It was Paul Rand who designed NEXT's logo: http://imprint.printmag.com/branding/paul-rand-steve-jobs/ . And here's Steve Jobs talking about Rand: http://512pixels.net/steve-jobs-on-paul-rand/

That would explain why my Google search wasn't bearing fruit :)

Edit: the video has the quote I was thinking of, but what I read was an article. From the video (Jobs talking):

> I asked him if he would come up with a few options. And he said, ‘No, I will solve your problem for you, and you will pay me. And you don’t have to use the solution — if you want options, go talk to other people. But I’ll solve your problem for you the best way I know how, and you use it or not, that’s up to you — you’re the client — but you pay me.’

Re: Steve Jobs to Obama: “You’re headed for a one-term presidency”

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Post by abbasmehdi »

9999 wrote: post #6

>keep schools open until 6 Sounds great, how do you fund it? >keep school in session 11 months out of the year Ditto. >let principals hire/fire based on merit Seems legit, do we really have to BREAK the unions to do that? The teacher unions have many legitimate reasons for their existence regardless of some of their negative attributes. >relax regulations on building factories Is that really what's holding manufactur…

Both of Jobs' school ideas do not seem to be rooted in a better education, rather keeping kids occupied longer while their parents worked for his or other companies. It could have been a measure against reducing daycare costs or as the way to keep people at work without having to worry about their kids.

I do like his idea about breaking up teacher unions, but I think the root cause of all of that is very low salaries for teachers.

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