Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

WordPress’ market share is shrinking

joost.blog

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 229 posts

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

#51

Post by hyperdimension »

peckrob wrote: post #43
siquick wrote: post #9

The only people I know who hate Wordpress are the developers who have had the misfortune of having to manage an instance of Wordpress. All the marketing and content people I have worked with love it.

I've done some Wordpress consulting work in the past. I wouldn't say I hate Wordpress. I advocate for it's use in some cases! I think it is a fantastic piece of software for what it natively does. You want a blogging platform? Wordpress is one of the best, hands down. You want a basic CMS that is so dead simple that anyone that can use a word processor can update the website? Wordpress excels at this, because that is…

> It's when people start trying to make it do things beyond this that problems start to accrue.

Ugh, that just serves to remind me of the unholy, demented shapes I've seen (Fortune 500) companies are able to mangle SharePoint into. Customizability is usually a nice quality in general, but certainly not without any cost.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

#52

Post by Atsuii »

goldcd wrote: post #23

I think the "private website" space is shrinking - despite what adverts for Wix and Squarespace might infer. The consumer/blog space of geocities, tripod and the like went to social media. Then we went through a period of "businesses putting up 10 pages for a fixed price" through first of all "a local web guy" then by themselves using Wix/WP/SS etc. I've just had a bathroom fitted by a guy who functions purely on Ins…

I think some of this is the result of how terrible Google search has gotten, although it maybe a chicken and the egg issue. It is just so much easier to find small businesses/individuals on social media/aggregators than on Google.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

#53

Post by austinl »

goldcd wrote: post #23

I think the "private website" space is shrinking - despite what adverts for Wix and Squarespace might infer. The consumer/blog space of geocities, tripod and the like went to social media. Then we went through a period of "businesses putting up 10 pages for a fixed price" through first of all "a local web guy" then by themselves using Wix/WP/SS etc. I've just had a bathroom fitted by a guy who functions purely on Ins…

I was previously a PM at a company where I got to interview a lot of content creators on various platforms (YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, etc). Specifically creators with large enough followings where it was their sole source of income (typically $1K-$10K per month).

I was initially shocked by how few of them had personal websites, but they're able to get by with the tools that the platform provides them. They didn't see much ROI in maintaining a personal site, and were more concerned with diversifying their audience across platforms.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

#54

Post by nukst »

peckrob wrote: post #43
siquick wrote: post #9

The only people I know who hate Wordpress are the developers who have had the misfortune of having to manage an instance of Wordpress. All the marketing and content people I have worked with love it.

I've done some Wordpress consulting work in the past. I wouldn't say I hate Wordpress. I advocate for it's use in some cases! I think it is a fantastic piece of software for what it natively does. You want a blogging platform? Wordpress is one of the best, hands down. You want a basic CMS that is so dead simple that anyone that can use a word processor can update the website? Wordpress excels at this, because that is…

Thank you peckrob, this was very insightful.

Let me be a SOB for a second and ask for your opinion. I'm interested in freelancing with WordPress, mostly small company websites, would you still recommend it for someone who's just getting in the market?

TIA

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

#56

Post by nr2x »

lancesells wrote: post #37
goldcd wrote: post #23

I think the "private website" space is shrinking - despite what adverts for Wix and Squarespace might infer. The consumer/blog space of geocities, tripod and the like went to social media. Then we went through a period of "businesses putting up 10 pages for a fixed price" through first of all "a local web guy" then by themselves using Wix/WP/SS etc. I've just had a bathroom fitted by a guy who functions purely on Ins…

IMO Wordpress is very much in the domain of the SEO / Adwords crowd. People that want their site to rank and bring in traffic for ads. There are millions upon millions of domains that people want to make money on.

Chum boxes all the way down…

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

#57

Post by pineconewarrior »

ozten wrote: post #34
paulryanrogers wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strange to hear BC breaks are common since its architecture screams procedural and dated. Though some of that could be they still technically support PHP 5.

Gutenberg brings React and a block architecture. That blurs the lines between "chrome" and end-user styles. This is more at the CSS and React level. The amount of !important CSS rules going into core is kind of terrifying.

The amount of time I spend in a specificity war between theme styles and wp core's ever-changing sheets is far too much!

The block library stylesheet is awful, and there is also no interface to interact with it directly. Instead we get to edit a json file which gives us access to a few dozen properties and deal with that.

Not to mention the incomplete javascript and PHP interfaces which seem to be developed by two battling teams... :(

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

#58

Post by goldcd »

austinl wrote: post #53
goldcd wrote: post #23

I think the "private website" space is shrinking - despite what adverts for Wix and Squarespace might infer. The consumer/blog space of geocities, tripod and the like went to social media. Then we went through a period of "businesses putting up 10 pages for a fixed price" through first of all "a local web guy" then by themselves using Wix/WP/SS etc. I've just had a bathroom fitted by a guy who functions purely on Ins…

I was previously a PM at a company where I got to interview a lot of content creators on various platforms (YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, etc). Specifically creators with large enough followings where it was their sole source of income (typically $1K-$10K per month). I was initially shocked by how few of them had personal websites, but they're able to get by with the tools that the platform provides them. They didn't s…

Indeed.

Even where you might once have thought "I'll add my own site, for the true fans, and take in orders of magnitude more money" - Now you can just add patreon (or an onlyfans) that handles that for you far more efficiently.

Then there are more niche providers like Floatplane (the Linus Tech Tips side-hustle/life-boat), who'll give you more autonomy and a CDN.

LinkTree was when the penny really dropped for me. Pretty much just an API landing page to point you to the other platforms.

Maybe the only next step left, is stuff like https://nametag.org/ - using an NFT to be your presence.

It's all very odd, and as I said above, makes me feel very old.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

#60

Post by pineconewarrior »

CSSer wrote: post #17

I'm interested to hear from other people who are bearish on Wordpress' future. Where are you headed? We agree with many of the points the author raised, as well as some additional pain points regarding general maintenance and design decisions (too many ways to do the same thing). Decoupled, static content generators seem to be the direction the industry is heading, but so far we've had trouble finding a content model…

I am bearish and just waiting for someone to figure out a solid middle ground between a drag-and-drop pagebuilder + content-as-data. Gutenberg ain't it.

Builder.io looks promising?

Post reply on HN