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Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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Wow... They should make a movie about that. For you youngins out there... this is a joke, there were several Airport 7X movies (including an episode of The Incredible Hulk (Bill Bixby series) where Banner/The Hulk had to land a plane) in the 70's.

That is actually an interesting concept for the Hulk. In a small plane, if he were to go green he would immediately cause a crash so Banner would have to calmly listen to instructions while fighting the stress.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

#52

Mythbusters once went to a commercial airline simulator to test the idea that a passenger with no training could land the plane. Without ATC help, it wasn't a great outcome. With ATC, they faired much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ8K-hOcRHk

Large aircraft are one thing, but most folks could land a light aircraft most of the time in good weather with barely any training. But most is like 80% and there's probably a 10% chance of dying or at least badly damaging the aircraft.

Not nitpicking because I agree with you, but in an emergency situation like this if you can walk away from the airplane, the condition of it is irrelevant. So I think at least 85-90% of the time (in good weather with a crosswind component below 7-8kts or so) everyone would be okay.

And absolutely agreed on the large aircraft part. I'm a private pilot, but no instrument cert yet, with only piston single experience - not even a high performance or complex endorsement - and I'm pretty sure if I had to land a widebody commercial airliner the only difference between me and someone with no experience is I'd sound better on the radio. I think the end result would probably be the same.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

#54
Really interesting.

Also a throwback to the infamous "barefoot bandit" who learned how to fly a plane by:

"It is believed that he learned how to fly small planes by reading aircraft manuals, handbooks, watching a "How to fly a small airplane" DVD, and playing flight simulator computer games."

He stole and flew a Cessna 400 and a Cessna 182.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colton_Harris_Moore

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

#55

Pilot here. I'm floored that a person with no flying experience could put this airplane down without a scratch. Air traffic controllers are not necessarily pilots, but luckily, this one was a pilot and certified instructor. ATC and passenger worked through a stressful situation to produce an amazing outcome. Bravo!

I heard the story on the radio this morning and they said that not only was the controller a certified instructor but he flew this specific plane so he knew how to direct him to everything on the panel! Really incredible bit of coincidence.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

#56
My very first flight with a CFI had me do everything but the radio - the landing is perhaps the hardest part but if you have someone to talk you through it, and you can get vectored to the longest possible runway around, it's not that hard (you can basically fly level above the runway and slowly bring back power, which will eventually touch down).

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

#58
post #53

Stupid question, but could this guy end up in some sort of legal trouble? He's obviously a hero and saved the lives of everyone on board, but it's still illegal to fly a plane while unqualified, right?

> He's obviously a hero and saved the lives of everyone on board, but it's still illegal to fly a plane while unqualified, right?

What, uh, is the alternative?

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always said the reason we don't have flying cars yet is because people can't drive in 2D much less 3D. This gives me hope.

Isn’t 3D easier? There sure is a lot more room.

It's not the 3D that kills you; it's the sudden 2D at the end.

Re: Passenger with “no idea how to fly” lands plane after pilot incapacitated

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post #53

Stupid question, but could this guy end up in some sort of legal trouble? He's obviously a hero and saved the lives of everyone on board, but it's still illegal to fly a plane while unqualified, right?

While I think even the colossally tone-deaf FAA wouldn't try to prosecute this guy under these circumstances, there's an odd gray area here, where a certificated pilot can deviate from any regulation to meet the need of an emergency [1] -- so I think a twist of logic would allow a non-pilot to be allowed to deviate from the "must have a pilot certificate" rules to meet his emergency the same way while acting as pilot-in-command of this plane.

Not a lawyer, am a flight instructor, I think 91.3 is how this non-pilot gets to use pilot regs to get out of pilot jail :)

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.3

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