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Lufthansa’s European Union Strasbourg “shuttle”

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Re: Lufthansa’s European Union Strasbourg “shuttle”

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Post by netsharc »

macinjosh wrote: post #47

These same people want to take away affordable heating from their constituents including the poor in the name of the "climate emergency". Yet, they can take a plane (that pumps huge amounts of CO2 directly into the sky) twice a week for the distance some people commute by ground _everyday_ for work. Then they only work for two days a week. I've never seen a more disgusting display of elitism.

Ah, populist anger, populist anger everywhere. You don't even know who are taking these flights, just that they're offered by Lufthansa. But sure, in your mind they're "[the] same people".

Re: Lufthansa’s European Union Strasbourg “shuttle”

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Post by jollybean »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #45
melenaboija wrote: post #17

It seems EU politicians believe in climate change, until they have to catch a bus for a couple of hours… BTW, I am a EU citizen worried about climate change and tired of recycling at home to sometimes see this kind of hypocrisy of some politicians.

It's not even a couple of hours, that's the best part. There are direct trains (ICE/TGV) that take around two hours, some even a bit less. The flight can't possibly be faster if you factor in getting to the airport and going through the security theater. Which, if we want to talk about beliefs is another ridiculous policy that hasn't demonstrably saved any lives. Instead now people simply get shot up in theaters and…

If there are direct trains there is simply no excuse.

Frankly, wherever there are fast alternatives, I wonder if the days of airlines are numbered.

Push through rail opportunities like maybe more runs with smaller trains, better synchronization of schedules, quick connections, faster trains etc..

Re: Lufthansa’s European Union Strasbourg “shuttle”

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Post by simongray »

macinjosh wrote: post #47

These same people want to take away affordable heating from their constituents including the poor in the name of the "climate emergency". Yet, they can take a plane (that pumps huge amounts of CO2 directly into the sky) twice a week for the distance some people commute by ground _everyday_ for work. Then they only work for two days a week. I've never seen a more disgusting display of elitism.

They do not only work for two days a week, come on. The European Parliament is for nearly all intents and purposes located in Brussels, the Strasbourg one is considered more of a spinoff. I seriously doubt that the parliamentarians enjoy this unnecessary monthly commute, they would certainly prefer staying in Brussels the whole time.

Re: Lufthansa’s European Union Strasbourg “shuttle”

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Post by bobthepanda »

sofixa wrote: post #50

I don't get the point of this flight. A train between the two will be around two hours, so an hour slower than the plane, but when you add travel to airports, it's probably faster, and the trains are more comfortable (and you can work from them).

Frankfurt is a major Lufthansa hub.

There is a train station at Frankfurt Airport, but a plane connection would be airside, and for connections having to travel to city center possibly with bags is a minus.

These days there is onboard wifi on most planes.

Re: Lufthansa’s European Union Strasbourg “shuttle”

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Post by unmole »

> In many cases these are high ranking government officials, and presumably if this flight didn’t exist, they might travel on private jets, which would be even worse; in order words, these people probably wouldn’t otherwise take a bus

Do MEPs really qualify as high ranking government officials?

Re: Lufthansa’s European Union Strasbourg “shuttle”

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Post by unmole »

midasuni wrote: post #12
durnygbur wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My blood boils on receiving the bamboo or papper drink straw, which immediately soaks and becomes useless. Wonder if they use them on these flights that would surely help limiting the carbon footprint.

Our local cinema removed plastic straws before any ban came in, it was a market led thing thanks to public concern, politicians eventually followed what the market and public already demanded. Difficult to blame them. I have a bag of 1000 plastic straws, at current consumption that will last me about 200 years.

> it was a market led thing

It was a virtue signalling thing.

Re: Lufthansa’s European Union Strasbourg “shuttle”

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

sofixa wrote: post #50

I don't get the point of this flight. A train between the two will be around two hours, so an hour slower than the plane, but when you add travel to airports, it's probably faster, and the trains are more comfortable (and you can work from them).

Frankfurt is probably the closest international hub airport for people flying in from other countries.

Re: Lufthansa’s European Union Strasbourg “shuttle”

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Post by pfortuny »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #19
melenaboija wrote: post #17

It seems EU politicians believe in climate change, until they have to catch a bus for a couple of hours… BTW, I am a EU citizen worried about climate change and tired of recycling at home to sometimes see this kind of hypocrisy of some politicians.

> seeing this kind of hypocrisy of some politicians No need for hypocrisy. Those of us who see flight shame as a bit silly can fly. Others can not. I assume the same applies for EU politicians.

It is hypocrisy because these trips are official ones, so they are essentially paid by us (the citizens). And these are the bureaucrats telling us to use clean vehicles.

It is not hypocrisy in the sense you state, certainly. It is the governmental one (do as I force you, not as I do with your money).

Re: Lufthansa’s European Union Strasbourg “shuttle”

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Post by mike_hock »

bobthepanda wrote: post #54
sofixa wrote: post #50

I don't get the point of this flight. A train between the two will be around two hours, so an hour slower than the plane, but when you add travel to airports, it's probably faster, and the trains are more comfortable (and you can work from them).

Frankfurt is a major Lufthansa hub. There is a train station at Frankfurt Airport, but a plane connection would be airside, and for connections having to travel to city center possibly with bags is a minus. These days there is onboard wifi on most planes.

What about the 10x worse carbon footprint per passenger mile? At 2 flights per month it's a drop in the bucket so who cares. But replacing the trains with flights would be extremely wasteful.

Re: Lufthansa’s European Union Strasbourg “shuttle”

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Post by SirHound »

unmole wrote: post #55

> In many cases these are high ranking government officials, and presumably if this flight didn’t exist, they might travel on private jets, which would be even worse; in order words, these people probably wouldn’t otherwise take a bus Do MEPs really qualify as high ranking government officials ?

Yes?
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