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When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

#51

Seems like a misleading title to me.

Yeah, maybe there's more context I'm missing but the screenshotted comments don't seem particularly "insulting", and the blog post announcing that they're implementing the idea does credit Casey (just not by name).

I'd summarize this more as "Microsoft employees initially disagree with dev's idea, but eventually admit he was right."

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

#52
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems you have posted the wrong link because there isn't really an apology?

"We admit this feature began with a kerfuffle we caused in the summer of 2021. When confronted with being told our rendering pipeline had terrible performance, we turned inward. We relied on our existing experiences and we leaned heavily on our partner teams’ work to conclude the DirectWrite general purpose renderer was the best fit for our product. We were wrong. As such, we dedicate this experimental renderer to th…

Maybe it's a non-native speaker thing, but "I hope you'll accept my apology." makes me think "Maybe I will, maybe I won't, depends on what apology you are going to make ... So where is it?"

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

#53
post #30

Another day, another Casey post dunking on my team. Hi! This tweet misses the mark only a little bit; in a previous blog post, we apologized[1] pretty frankly to everyone involved in this discussion. I'll admit that we didn't list him by name, but neither did we list the other handful of folks involved. We should have. In turn, Casey rightly did not acknowledge it except to tell his followers that it was not a real a…

That's not an apology, as written. You say you did something wrong and say "we hope that you will accept our apology", having not actually given one. Maybe English isn't your first language, and so you don't know the difference between "accept our apologies" (which is a formal/distant apology) and "accept our apology" (which refers to a previous apology).

Also, good apologies come with admission of fault and steps you'll take to make sure you don't make the same mistake again.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

#54
post #30

Another day, another Casey post dunking on my team. Hi! This tweet misses the mark only a little bit; in a previous blog post, we apologized[1] pretty frankly to everyone involved in this discussion. I'll admit that we didn't list him by name, but neither did we list the other handful of folks involved. We should have. In turn, Casey rightly did not acknowledge it except to tell his followers that it was not a real a…

Typically, when apologizing, you should name the person you are apologizing to. Otherwise, they might do something like not acknowledge your apology.

Yep, Naming the person and linking to the "kerfuffle" inline that you created would be minimum to consider that post an apology. Calling it a "kerfuffle" is odd phrasing that downplays the actions.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

#55
post #42
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems you have posted the wrong link because there isn't really an apology?

> We were wrong. As such, we dedicate this experimental renderer to the community as an olive branch. We know we have so much more to learn, but we hope that you will accept our apology and understand we’re humans behind this product with a capability and willingness to learn from our past mistakes. What more really needs to be said? Feels like one of those times where if everyone just sat around at a pub with a beer…

I'm being facetious here. As far as apologies go that's a pretty weak attempt.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

#56
post #30

Another day, another Casey post dunking on my team. Hi! This tweet misses the mark only a little bit; in a previous blog post, we apologized[1] pretty frankly to everyone involved in this discussion. I'll admit that we didn't list him by name, but neither did we list the other handful of folks involved. We should have. In turn, Casey rightly did not acknowledge it except to tell his followers that it was not a real a…

> We get it, Microsoft sucks, we should all be fired, rah rah rah.

This response shows how little you value users feedback (and how unafraid of them you are). Probably should leave this kind of thing to your developer relations team...

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

#57
post #42
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems you have posted the wrong link because there isn't really an apology?

> We were wrong. As such, we dedicate this experimental renderer to the community as an olive branch. We know we have so much more to learn, but we hope that you will accept our apology and understand we’re humans behind this product with a capability and willingness to learn from our past mistakes. What more really needs to be said? Feels like one of those times where if everyone just sat around at a pub with a beer…

> What more really needs to be said?

Well if I were to write an apology "frankly to " I would probably mention by name in the apology.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

#58
Look at the settings menu, it looks like a setting menu from iOS, huge controls, everything is a list, endless scrolling

No wonder why they didn't know what they were doing

So that kind of behavior doesn't surprise me

What's even more surprising is it's the same for everything windows related, including windows 11, performance issues all over the place, nobody acknowledge it, and whenever they face criticism and complain, it's the ugly trolls!

Sometimes i feel like some managers doesn't want to give up their position and salary, so they surround themselves with tasteless people

Culture and hiring problems at microsoft, as usual, apple is being hit by the same issues these days, just like google and facebook

Lot of money to be made in these positions, it always attract the wrong people

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

#59
Casey's next stream [1] will probably be very entertaining! Back when the original drama unfold I could very much empathize with his frustration. Let's not forget they told him that what he was suggesting was the work of a PHD when any game developer worth his grain of salt could do that very trivially.

[1] https://www.twitch.tv/handmade_hero

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

#60
post #30

Another day, another Casey post dunking on my team. Hi! This tweet misses the mark only a little bit; in a previous blog post, we apologized[1] pretty frankly to everyone involved in this discussion. I'll admit that we didn't list him by name, but neither did we list the other handful of folks involved. We should have. In turn, Casey rightly did not acknowledge it except to tell his followers that it was not a real a…

This kind of tone really doesn't engender sympathy:

> We get it, Microsoft sucks, we should all be fired, rah rah rah.

> I just don't know what else he's asking for here. Credit? Us to die screaming? The blog post is matter-of-fact, and Casey is right: however, he said himself that it was trivial to do this. Is it not acceptable that we use the same language?

Your "apology" really is anything but. If anything you and your team come off as combative, thin skinned and hostile to outsiders. But, you do you bro.

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