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Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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i want to share one of the saddest things i have read online recently.

not long ago, one would think that bullying would not follow kids to their houses. once they got home, they would be safe with their family. that's no longer the case with the advent of social media.

the story is that of a teenage girl who committed suicide due to constant bullying. it never stopped, even when she got home. and her family had no idea. she was, based on the photos and her brother's post, a very pretty and high achieving young person. that alone, he wrote, was the reason they targeted his sister.

after her suicide, a memorial page was set up by her family. anyone who knew her could add a message. huge mistake! the bullies flooded the page with cruel and insensitive messages. like "good riddance" and how "the world was better without her". remember, the bullies were her schoolmates, not strangers...

the story saddened and upset me.

i couldn't imagine what the poor family were going through. and i know that these bullies didn't realize the gravity of what they were doing. i don't have a solution to offer either. i just wanna share that young person's story. i am sure when the leaders of our social media platforms get in their meeting rooms, nobody is going to mention her.

i wanna share her story so people know it happened. and that it's still happening.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Our descendants will look back on us allowing children access to unadulterated social media the way we look back on smoking.

Strongly disagree, when has society ever decided less access to information is ideal? Our descendants will create better platforms that can allow users to better filter for their emotional needs and they'll likely have better tools to understand their own emotions.

Strongly disagree, when has society ever decided less access to information is ideal?

All the time, every day, forever?

Not sure what society you're living in but here in the western world the push for censorship is constant.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Is it social media? Or is it also the knowledge that they effectively have no future. Rent is going up and mortgage rates are going up faster. A shrinking portion of young adults can now afford housing. The economy is becoming so disfunctional there's almost no reason to bother participating. When children end up in that position their family will turn on them and they have nothing materially or socially.

> Is it social media? They do cite a number of randomized controlled trials that show it's social media: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w-HOfseF2wF9YIpXwUUtP65-... > Or is it also the knowledge that they effectively have no future. Rent is going up and mortgage rates are going up faster. A shrinking portion of young adults can now afford housing. The economy is becoming so disfunctional there's almost no reason…

> We'll fix them and, with any luck, we'll be better ancestors to our children.

I think that the anxiety might come from the view that we might not fix those problems in time, because the amount of work needed to do so is that vast.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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I think a lot of us in other generations are part of the same trends I used to laugh at fidget spinners and everything gen z, then I tried formal education again, taking a class for a semester and oh my god the first couple sessions were really difficult! It immediately clicked with me that we - at least I - am not exempt from deteriorated concentration. I’m acclimated to the creative and less-structured demands of g…

I think everyone's concentration is deteriorating, but kids don't have the benefit of having experienced life without social media. From the very beginning they've been immersed in this, making their problems that much worse

That is a difference, I think a large portion of the adult population hasn't considered introspection on themselves and are subject to the same trends. I was able to recognize it because I had read about modern children's behavior in classroom, and I was able to recalibrate because I was familiar with what my level of concentration should be and had been. But that's not a consolation if everyone, perhaps including the teacher I responded to, would find themselves "infected" the same way if they were told to be the student in the classroom. I bet a more holistic solution would be found if people recognized they are distracted too, instead of only looking at the easier target: kids forced to be in that setting.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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And TikTok usage is heavily limited in China (its origin) but allowed to be consumed unlimited in other countries

I'm not sure if you know but Tiktok and Douyin (Chinese Tiktok) are actually separate.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#56

Haidt wants to censor the speech he doesn’t like; he is pining for the old order. His main talking point is Diversity and Equity is bad. He even suggests diversity is bad. Watch this video from mid point. https://youtu.be/RKRuvKtFvqo

My theory is that he is affected by America’s racial reckoning, and is blaming social media for it. So he has come up with these convoluted explanations to justify his insecurities.

Racial reckoning? Sounds ominous.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#57
it must be said, even if its not what everyone wants to hear, that the fear-mongering corporate news media, who carpet the world in content that is deliberately designed to elicit a primordial brain-stem stress response, have probably contributed to this problem. whether they turn on the tv or they are sitting in the classroom, kids of all ages have it drilled into them that their country is evil and racist, that they are guilty almost implicitly for having white skin, doomed to a life of hardship if they have black skin, and also that the world is coming to rapid apocalypse which is completely the kids and the kids familys fault. i am not making a statement about whether any of that is true; what is undeniably true is that kids are being injected with this stuff 24/7 and its not good for them.

when i was a kid, we stood for the flag and sang the pledge of allegiance. there was a notion in the air of unity, order and strength. when i look back i recognize that this was very good for my mental health. you can have your opinion about the pledge but there is no denying that our children need an environment that is good for their mental health.

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Even though I am in favour of Musk's purchase of Twitter, the implied idea that the slot machines in our pockets need broader engagement to improve discourse and society, and that engaging in more direct conflict in less-moderated forums will improve the mental health of young people - both seem like very big bets.

I'd still be willing to take those bets because there is a good chance the reason they're going nuts is the platforms manage and toy with their attention and instincts like animals, so they're probably acting a lot like they are beings in captivity. Something that breaks the spell might mitigate the effects. Maybe they're not that crazy, they're just indexed on something others can't see?

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

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Our descendants will look back on us allowing children access to unadulterated social media the way we look back on smoking.

Strongly disagree, when has society ever decided less access to information is ideal? Our descendants will create better platforms that can allow users to better filter for their emotional needs and they'll likely have better tools to understand their own emotions.

>Strongly disagree, when has society ever decided less access to information is ideal?

The trick social media companies use is convincing people that all they're doing is giving people access to "information". They are not; they're just creating addiction machines. It should be self evident that wikipedia or a minimalist blog with a comment box is in an entirely different solar system from facebook's algorithm that keeps track of how long you scroll and then shows you something you're likely to interact with right before you're supposed to close the app, manipulating your emotions to keep you "engaged" longer.

>Our descendants will create better platforms that can allow users to better filter for their emotional needs and they'll likely have better tools to understand their own emotions.

We already have them. My kids won't be able to access the internet until they figure out how to navigate the command line.

In the beginning ...

Re: Teen mental health is plummeting and social media is a major contributing cause [pdf]

#60
Is it really social media itself that's the major contributing factor? Or is it really that people are using social media as a distribution channel to propagate negative, defeatist beliefs en mass in response to the natural challenges teens face when growing up?

I think it is the latter. One has but to open TikTok to quickly come across a video instilling negative beliefs about the opposite sex with tons of commenters asserting the validity of those beliefs. Confirmation bias at scale.

You can scarcely have a nuanced conversation online without some idiot misinterpreting what you said and rousing a mob to hound you for your narrative violation. Combined with the viral nature of negativity, this is an iron cage that is difficult for an inexperienced, impressionable teen mind to escape.

Parents need to be more proactive and should keep up with the firehose of negative beliefs teens are being fed through these distribution channels and attempt to have a conversation with them. At the very least, this should teach teens the valuable skill of challenging ideas and being critical of what others are putting out there.

The ones who view the medium as the devil are misguided at best. Their temporary efforts to stop it is a bandaid over the real problem of who teens are being influenced by.

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