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Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> NOTE: I do use an Android phone --- but only after it has been thoroughly de-Googled --- starting from a stripped down, bare metal device that won't even power up. You're going to have to explain to me. Particularly the "starting from a stripped down, bare metal device that won't even power up. Because this sounds excessive and a bit over the top.

Their device might have Google Smart Shellac on it, so this user chose to strip it off for the full De-Goog experience.

> Google Smart Shellac

No idea what this is and searching yields nail polish as the result.

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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Every tech company is losing the war against credential stuffing. I have a friend working at a series B startup with None of the service providers who claim to fix the issue are worth their weight in salt. Shape, Akamai, none of them have a grip on the problem because the attackers are constantly evolving. As you can see, even Google is capitulating despite all the fud that people on HN spread about the company being omniscient.

Anyone who thinks this is about advertising/collecting personal data is out of their minds.

The worst part is nobody can talk about it because anything you reveal about your problems can give the attackers a massive edge.

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

#53

Every new feature from Google is a middle finger to their users, then you get some corporate double speak about how it's all well and good and how it makes the product better. Get a Fastmail account, I got one after I got tired of google breaking my IMAP settings every other week. They're cheap, they have most everything you'd need from an email provider, and they don't require a special app like proton.

I tried fastmail and then there was no search on the drive aspect. had to move back to google

I'm able to search for filenames in fastmail files. I guess you refer to searching file contents?

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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Google is no saint, but there's absolutely no reason to ascribe ill intent to collecting phone numbers of 2FA setup. The reason is simple: Google has billions of users, and at any given time, a lot of them break their devices and lose access to 2FA credentials. Phone numbers, despite all their flaws, are still the most reliable long-term and mostly-immutable attributes which can service as a proxy for identity which can and does aid account recovery at scale. If you crack your phone screen, you can walk to a brick and mortar cell shop, present your ID and get a new phone that receives security codes without a second thought. If you're using Aegis and storing MFA seeds locally, you're on the hook for backups and no one wants that responsibility.

Think of it like using social security numbers to authenticate yourself to the bank. Yes, it's terrible, but it's kind of the only thing that works when done on a massive scale. Yes, you can do better at managing your 2FA credentials, but most users cannot - they struggle even having strong passwords. Phone numbers bridge that security-usability gap. To be clear, this isn't an endorsement of the system (I think the user should be allowed to choose), but rather trying to make sense from an engineering perspective.

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

#55
I too was hit by this a few months ago, after having to create a Google account for work, and worked around it by running an android emulator where I installed their authenticator app. This was enough to get past the stupid "you have to have a phone" requirement, and gave me access to the TOTP secret, which I then promptly added to my favourite open source 2FA utility.

Screw you, Google, you're not getting my phone number.

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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They call me about my car’s extended warranty every day whether google has my number or not.

I also get a call, every day, precisely at 9:04am, from random numbers matching the first 6 digits of my phone number.

Protecting my phone number is a dead effort on my end.

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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I guess I'll just have to stop using google. Welcome to the club. The fastest way to convince me *not* to use a product is to attach a "Google" label to it. Nothing Google has to offer justifies the drawbacks. NOTE: I do use an Android phone --- but only after it has been thoroughly de-Googled --- starting from a stripped down, bare metal device that won't even power up.

I bought Pixel phones for my wife and I because the price and ease of use to save my kids pictures was absolutely worth it. I haven't found a service that functions as well as Google Photos. She takes pics and I take pics, and we have a shared account that backs it all up without any messing about. I have done precisely ZERO tech support for my wife since buying this service and phones and I will probably never leave…

Mega.nz and OneDrive work well for me, albeit slightly less polished and (thankfully) a lot less opinionated than Google Photos.

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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I guess I'll just have to stop using google. Welcome to the club. The fastest way to convince me *not* to use a product is to attach a "Google" label to it. Nothing Google has to offer justifies the drawbacks. NOTE: I do use an Android phone --- but only after it has been thoroughly de-Googled --- starting from a stripped down, bare metal device that won't even power up.

> NOTE: I do use an Android phone --- but only after it has been thoroughly de-Googled --- starting from a stripped down, bare metal device that won't even power up. You're going to have to explain to me. Particularly the "starting from a stripped down, bare metal device that won't even power up. Because this sounds excessive and a bit over the top.

adb shell rm -rf

Re: Google's most ridiculous trick to force users into adding phone number

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It's not even about not willing to spend 1$ for a random phone number. Here's a list of things that are wrong with what Google does: - If you want to read your email, you have to use app specific password. I'm ok with that. - You can't generate app specific passwords if you don't have 2FA enabled. That's some artificial limitation made to force you into adding phone number to your account. - You can't use authenticat…

It does make sense from one perspective I've seen. Scammers are using 2FA to lock people out of their own accounts and demand a ransom for the tokens. Happened to a friend of mine a couple months ago.
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