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Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

CA water use is 50% environment, 40% agriculture, 10% residential. Maybe we should focus on reducing that 50%? It was nice and all when we had plenty of water to waste but it’s time to revisit those policies. https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/

Is this a joke comment? Or is this really what the average American thinks?

When somebody’s mortgage depends on ignorance, don’t go looking to them for wisdom.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

#52

It's not unprecedented. It's been a steady state that they have pretended was not a steady state. They are not "in a drought". They say drought in a way that implies that it is a temporary state that may return to a different, normal state. But it will not. They have reached a new normal of a lower water level. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-05-06/editorial-t... was a great editorial on this from last yea…

At what point should desalination plants be considered for agriculture irrigation in California?

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

#53
It amazes me that this isn't considered a full blown emergency. This feels as bad as a nuke slowly descending onto a city of millions. Yet everyone continues to consume water like nothing is happening. The time for extreme water rationing and banning of certain industries in the desert is years ago.

If I lived anywhere near there I would have been desperately trying to sell my property before it became worthless.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

#54

Here's a novel idea: Don't live in the desert. Don't grow baby spinach in the desert. Let water prices rise to the extremes they need to discourage people from doing stupid stuff with essentially free water.

Living in synch with nature, what a radical idea! /S

They wont, it will fail and then those who get it and are ahead of the curb will innovate. You already see it with rising fertilizer costs, farmers are looking into more traditional methods not reliant ok chemical companies.

Regulators will surely screw it up, as they have been in cohoots with $insiders.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

#55
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CA water use is 50% environment, 40% agriculture, 10% residential. Maybe we should focus on reducing that 50%? It was nice and all when we had plenty of water to waste but it’s time to revisit those policies. https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/

Which species and ecosystems are you proposing eliminating? ("environmental use" really means "leave it in the river"; reducing environmental use to zero means making rivers never reach the sea because you've extracted 100% of the water.)

Which species are you claiming would go extinct and does your list cover 100% of those on the environmental list? Perhaps there's room somewhere between the two extremes?

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

#56

Here's a novel idea: Don't live in the desert. Don't grow baby spinach in the desert. Let water prices rise to the extremes they need to discourage people from doing stupid stuff with essentially free water.

Who is going to tell middle California that they need to pay a lot higher to grow crops? The politicians sure won’t. The government is already an enemy in those parts.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

#57

It's not unprecedented. It's been a steady state that they have pretended was not a steady state. They are not "in a drought". They say drought in a way that implies that it is a temporary state that may return to a different, normal state. But it will not. They have reached a new normal of a lower water level. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-05-06/editorial-t... was a great editorial on this from last yea…

> It is politically untenable to fix this

I believe this statement is applicable to the climate crisis in general. Recent reviews of 2015 Paris agreement progress indicate abysmal performance. We've been using resources in such a way that we don't have to consider their true costs, and we've been doing so for generations. I don't think we'll see very significant change until it is forced upon us. We'll then make reactive changes, rather than proactive changes. And it will be too late for a lot of regions / people.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

#58

Here's a novel idea: Don't live in the desert. Don't grow baby spinach in the desert. Let water prices rise to the extremes they need to discourage people from doing stupid stuff with essentially free water.

> Don't live in the desert.

Only ~10% of the use is residential.

> Don't grow baby spinach in the desert.

This would also be fine if the water wasn't divided up using a formula that allocates more water than has historically flowed through the Colorado.

I have no problem with pricing it correctly.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

#59
post #23

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We need the transcontinental pipeline to push water to where it needs to be. Or agriculture needs to move to where the water is.

This makes sense to me. Water is the most abundant substance on Earth. Build aqueducts and move the water around. If the Romans could do it we can handle it too.

Running a water pipeline across the continental divide and through the Rocky Mountains? Did the Romans do anything comparable to that (move water UP)? I was under the belief that aqueducts relied on gravity to move the water.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

#60

It's not unprecedented. It's been a steady state that they have pretended was not a steady state. They are not "in a drought". They say drought in a way that implies that it is a temporary state that may return to a different, normal state. But it will not. They have reached a new normal of a lower water level. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-05-06/editorial-t... was a great editorial on this from last yea…

CA water use is 50% environment, 40% agriculture, 10% residential. Maybe we should focus on reducing that 50%? It was nice and all when we had plenty of water to waste but it’s time to revisit those policies. https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/

the easiest way to do that is of course to plant shading plants at the edges of waterways.
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