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Statistical Analysis shows Echos process voice to serve ads

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Re: Statistical Analysis shows Echos process voice to serve ads

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Honestly I can't see why anyone has these smart speakers anyways. Best case scenario is what, saving a minute by not typing in a Google query or phone number?

Doesn't seem like a sufficient benefit when you consider the downside -- a device listening to your conversations and selling that data to ad agencies.

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Additionally, they are trying to imply the common trope of “voice assistants are listening to everything we say all day for ads”, whereas their test methodology was to actively use the top skills for those interests and perform actions. While I don’t like the sharing of such data for ads, it’s a far cry from Alexa processing voice in the background with zero interaction.

What part of the paper gives you the impression they imply voice assistants are listening to everything? I don’t get that. The discussion in the paper is nuanced on that point and does not make that claim as far as I read it. Section 2.2 (page 2): > The content of users’ speech can reveal sensitive information (e.g., private conversations) and the voice signals can be processed to infer potentially sensitive informat…

Alexa uses the data we give to it by speaking and performing actions via downloaded skills - is very similar to all ad platforms, conveying user intent into ad profiles.

Saying “process voice for ads” has subtle connotations in the current landscape of privacy discussions.

Re: Statistical Analysis shows Echos process voice to serve ads

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Honestly I can't see why anyone has these smart speakers anyways. Best case scenario is what, saving a minute by not typing in a Google query or phone number? Doesn't seem like a sufficient benefit when you consider the downside -- a device listening to your conversations and selling that data to ad agencies.

Ad agencies hearing that I want to know the weather, dad jokes, recipes, turn on and off my lights, and to listen to smooth jazz is literally the least of my problems when it comes to data being shared/sold.

Just like anything, there’s a trade off and, for the case of convenience, I’m willing to make the trade off between convenience of talking to a device to do tasks for me and having an ad agency learn what music I listen to that Amazon is probably selling to them anyway since I use the Amazon Music service.

I get your skepticism and applaud it, but you have to remember 99% of the population doesn’t know, care at all, or is willing to make the trade off, whereas the 1% are some of those folks amassed here on HN.

YMMV.

Re: Statistical Analysis shows Echos process voice to serve ads

#54

Honestly I can't see why anyone has these smart speakers anyways. Best case scenario is what, saving a minute by not typing in a Google query or phone number? Doesn't seem like a sufficient benefit when you consider the downside -- a device listening to your conversations and selling that data to ad agencies.

They were sold hard as a means of keeping up with the Joneses; I think some people bought them just because they thought they were supposed to.

Re: Statistical Analysis shows Echos process voice to serve ads

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Honestly I can't see why anyone has these smart speakers anyways. Best case scenario is what, saving a minute by not typing in a Google query or phone number? Doesn't seem like a sufficient benefit when you consider the downside -- a device listening to your conversations and selling that data to ad agencies.

Carplay/Siri is a big one - I can send a text, play music, listen to a podcast without taking my eyes off the road.

Re: Statistical Analysis shows Echos process voice to serve ads

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What part of the paper gives you the impression they imply voice assistants are listening to everything? I don’t get that. The discussion in the paper is nuanced on that point and does not make that claim as far as I read it. Section 2.2 (page 2): > The content of users’ speech can reveal sensitive information (e.g., private conversations) and the voice signals can be processed to infer potentially sensitive informat…

Alexa uses the data we give to it by speaking and performing actions via downloaded skills - is very similar to all ad platforms, conveying user intent into ad profiles. Saying “process voice for ads” has subtle connotations in the current landscape of privacy discussions.

As clarification, you are objecting to the phrase “process voice to [serve] ads” in the title which was provided by the submitter not the paper authors?

Re: Statistical Analysis shows Echos process voice to serve ads

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Honestly I can't see why anyone has these smart speakers anyways. Best case scenario is what, saving a minute by not typing in a Google query or phone number? Doesn't seem like a sufficient benefit when you consider the downside -- a device listening to your conversations and selling that data to ad agencies.

As a software engineer I found it very very interesting how voice input feels.

It is different because it's always available without looking for your phone on one site and on the other it actually removes the need to have your phone with you all the time.

It also feels much more natural.

Independent of the benefits, I have a smartphone with a microphone, webcam, Laptops etc. The sentiment that a hardware verified device starts to listen in after specific keywords is for me less of an issue than all the other devices I just mentioned.

I really think that natural voice input will be the future. I want a personal assistant in my flat. And if Elon musk now starts the robot war, those robots will be controlled by voice. I'm pretty sure about it. I also saw plenty of ml research which indicates that.

Edit: and yes voice is so much more practical when you cook or in the shower.

Re: Statistical Analysis shows Echos process voice to serve ads

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What part of the paper gives you the impression they imply voice assistants are listening to everything? I don’t get that. The discussion in the paper is nuanced on that point and does not make that claim as far as I read it. Section 2.2 (page 2): > The content of users’ speech can reveal sensitive information (e.g., private conversations) and the voice signals can be processed to infer potentially sensitive informat…

Alexa uses the data we give to it by speaking and performing actions via downloaded skills - is very similar to all ad platforms, conveying user intent into ad profiles. Saying “process voice for ads” has subtle connotations in the current landscape of privacy discussions.

Unlike other ad platforms, Amazon claims that they do not use voice data for ad targeting. From paper:

Amazon has publicly stated that it does not use voice data for targeted advertisements [83], [75].

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/are-smart-speakers-plant...

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This is called observational bias. Imo the truth is much scarier: advertises know us better than we known ourselves. There's also the idea that we are so alike, advertises can generalize to great success.

This is especially blatant when you don't fit into any category advertisers understand. Most of them think I'm either a hip urban youth or a well-off exurban housewife. I don't think they know what to do with someone who has associations, friendships, and interests that cross countless geographic and socioeconomic boundaries.

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Re: Statistical Analysis shows Echos process voice to serve ads

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What part of the paper gives you the impression they imply voice assistants are listening to everything? I don’t get that. The discussion in the paper is nuanced on that point and does not make that claim as far as I read it. Section 2.2 (page 2): > The content of users’ speech can reveal sensitive information (e.g., private conversations) and the voice signals can be processed to infer potentially sensitive informat…

Alexa uses the data we give to it by speaking and performing actions via downloaded skills - is very similar to all ad platforms, conveying user intent into ad profiles. Saying “process voice for ads” has subtle connotations in the current landscape of privacy discussions.

"Subtle connotations" are not much to make an objective complaint out of.
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