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‘Electric’ chopsticks that make food seem more salty

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Re: ‘Electric’ chopsticks that make food seem more salty

#51

> The chopsticks work by using ... a mini-computer worn on the eater’s wristband. Impressive, most minicomputers would probably break your arm if you tried to wear them on your wrist.

Never seen a fitness tracker?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minicomputer

Re: ‘Electric’ chopsticks that make food seem more salty

#52

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> I’m sure we all could eat a bit less salt We could but there is some doubt about whether it is necessary, and if necessary, for whom.

Cite your sources, because there's plenty of sources that indicate health risks with high salt intake, especially later in life.

Check out The Salt Fix: Why the Experts Got It All Wrong--and How Eating More Might Save Your Life. I haven't read it yet but it's on my list.

Re: ‘Electric’ chopsticks that make food seem more salty

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Yes, but weeb makes a lot more sense in this context. It's not a weird suggestion here IMO.

I meant "Dweeb". "Weeb" is just a subcategory of it.

> "Weeb" is just a subcategory of it.

I wouldn't say so, no.

Dweeb is a pretty wide insult, but it still implies things that aren't part of what "weeb" means.

Re: ‘Electric’ chopsticks that make food seem more salty

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m sure we all could eat a bit less salt We could but there is some doubt about whether it is necessary, and if necessary, for whom.

Cite your sources, because there's plenty of sources that indicate health risks with high salt intake, especially later in life.

Plenty of pre-1970 sources, none post 1970, generally the opposite.

The most famous historical study was rigged from the start.

Re: ‘Electric’ chopsticks that make food seem more salty

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Can we be pedantic about the simplistic title? Japan did not invent the chopsticks, but some researchers at a university that were sponsored by a beverage manufacturer did. If these researchers were anywhere else, what would the title read?

Japan birthed and housed the researchers and produced the problem that needed to be solved, therefore Japan invented this. This is an extremely Japanese invention, I doubt it would have been invented by any other nation.

Re: ‘Electric’ chopsticks that make food seem more salty

#56

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> I’m sure we all could eat a bit less salt We could but there is some doubt about whether it is necessary, and if necessary, for whom.

Cite your sources, because there's plenty of sources that indicate health risks with high salt intake, especially later in life.

Like the great majority of health advice, especially from governments, limiting salt is based on what is essentially either a misunderstanding at best or pure pseudo-science at worst.

First two studies I found when you google for Salt intake and all cause mortality. All cause mortality is in my opinion the only real metric that matters for this discussion. You can find studies on it increasing blood pressure temporarily but if it doesn't translate to death who cares (See Japan and Korea)

https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/492034#:~:text=No%20.... (In dialysis patients)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33351135/

*Not really expecting this to convince anyone, so low effort, but maybe people can acknowledge biology is complex and we don't have any idea about what any food really does. Hence so many studies showing different results because the signal is so weak.

Re: ‘Electric’ chopsticks that make food seem more salty

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Cite your sources, because there's plenty of sources that indicate health risks with high salt intake, especially later in life.

It's typically only an issue if coupled with high fructose. I'd argue the abnormally high levels of fructose are a much bigger health crisis, and salt is relatively minor in comparison.

Not a comment on the interplay, but Japan is well within WHO guidelines for sugars. In school, I heard that Japan reduced gastric cancer cases by 50% when salt intake reduced by 10%. Probably can’t repeat that same public health success again, but with nearly 5m individuals, the effect is strong. I’m not aware of as big a meta analysis for fructose.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34957192/

Re: ‘Electric’ chopsticks that make food seem more salty

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Cite your sources, because there's plenty of sources that indicate health risks with high salt intake, especially later in life.

Japan has the developed world's highest life expectancies and yet the Japanese eat double the amount of recommended salt per day. To me that seems sort of inconsistent with salt being a great health risk

Showing examples that refute people hypotheses is so valuable.

Reminds me of the Israeli paradox, Israel has very low saturated fat intake but high heart disease rates. This information on it's own completely disproves any claim that high saturated fat could be the sole cause of heart disease. There must be either an underlying or parallel mechanism that explains Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_paradox

*It's all most like biology is complicated and is hard to understand.

Re: ‘Electric’ chopsticks that make food seem more salty

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Yes, but weeb makes a lot more sense in this context. It's not a weird suggestion here IMO.

I meant "Dweeb". "Weeb" is just a subcategory of it.

As far as I know the two aren't connected (outside of the spelling overlap), but if you like it this way that's fine.
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