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Fuck Your Miracle Year

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Re: Fuck Your Miracle Year

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I was shocked to (re)discover that high school algebra is a multiyear course. And trigonometry is a year long. What?

I learned algebra in middle school, in one year. What is this insanity of which you speak?

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/graduation-requirements-and-c...

Here's the HS math sequence options from my local school district in VA. Can't speak to many other places but this is what my above comment is based on.

Re: Fuck Your Miracle Year

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I was shocked to (re)discover that high school algebra is a multiyear course. And trigonometry is a year long. What?

We send some of our worst thinkers to educate children. Trigonometry didn’t make sense to me as a kid because I was learning from someone who didn’t understand it. They could memorize a lot of rules, but they didn’t understand it. In the face of this, what makes the most sense is fostering curiosity. Your teachers not understanding material doesn’t matter if their role is prompting you to ask the right questions and…

> We send some of our worst thinkers to educate children.

I wonder if this is the sort of thing that could be fixed by paying teachers more. Why would a smart person become a teacher if a professional industry job will pay $300-500k and a teaching job will pay $100k? Is paying teachers so much even palatable to the general public?

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post #52

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We send some of our worst thinkers to educate children. Trigonometry didn’t make sense to me as a kid because I was learning from someone who didn’t understand it. They could memorize a lot of rules, but they didn’t understand it. In the face of this, what makes the most sense is fostering curiosity. Your teachers not understanding material doesn’t matter if their role is prompting you to ask the right questions and…

> We send some of our worst thinkers to educate children. I wonder if this is the sort of thing that could be fixed by paying teachers more. Why would a smart person become a teacher if a professional industry job will pay $300-500k and a teaching job will pay $100k? Is paying teachers so much even palatable to the general public?

The difference is starker than that. Principals make close to the amount that you’re estimating for teachers, and by structure most teachers will never be principals.

I wanted to go into teaching but stopped after I realized what that would mean for my long term earnings. Even with time taken off as a stay at home parent and time spent working in the developing world, I’m getting close to the lifetime earnings for teachers who progress in their careers. In less than a decade of working.

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> I agree with Dwarkesh that we should be doing more to help young people have miracle years Optimizing any system for "geniuses" seems very silly to me. > Look, no one talked about how we can engineer miracle years when miracle years were actually still happening. This modern obsession with progress is just a sign of our decadence, of our creative exhaustion and inability to innovate in any meaningful way. I'm readi…

I actually disagree. It’s kind of a power law distribution thing where 1% of the people make 99% of the real scientific breakthroughs. We should absolutely optimize for geniuses.

> 1% of the people make 99% of the real scientific breakthroughs

That is maybe the single most dubious statistic I've seen thrown out so offhandedly in my entire time on HN.

Re: Fuck Your Miracle Year

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I don't understand either one of these articles to be honest. We're talking about Einstein and Newton as if their success is reproduceable if we just give people time to think? We don't have miracle years now because people like Einstein are impossibly rare. That's assuming Einstein was even human.

We also don't have "miracle years" because the term doesn't actually mean anything. It's not real. Maybe the pressures of life and society forced people long ago to prioritize their work in such a way that the bulk of it was done in a very short, timely manner.

Or perhaps much like an athlete, it's probably ideal to spend your prime doing your best work. Or even still, maybe like me, these people worked on waves of mania and maybe occasionally that manic episode lasted an entire year and they were extremely productive.

All of that said, literally what are we talking about? Don't spend your time on a PhD program, you might be the next Einstein! Einstein wasn't writing blog posts, he was grinding! Please go join the latest YC backed venture and we can disrupt the food delivery industry!

We're all obligated to go outside after participating in either one of these articles.

Re: Fuck Your Miracle Year

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I actually disagree. It’s kind of a power law distribution thing where 1% of the people make 99% of the real scientific breakthroughs. We should absolutely optimize for geniuses.

That seems worthless if they find their own way to knowledge outside of the schools. I think the K12 system destroying potential geniuses is a seriously overblown concern, especially in the internet age.

Yes. The "geniuses" will be alright.

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The Republic for Which It Stands - The United States during Reconstruction and the Gilded Age, 1865-1896 by Richard White

When I saw your initial comment I figured this was the tome. It's outstanding. I got onto it after hearing an interview with Richard White. He's opinionated and some of the opinions are very insightful. In the interview he said that there's no such thing as cycles in history ( pace Spengler). Instead there are unresolved issues that keep bubbling up over generations. That completely describes America's problems with…

I am loving it. It's dryer due to its focus on economics but "The Rise and Fall of American Growth" covers a similar era and is worthwhile too.

Re: Fuck Your Miracle Year

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It's interesting how much truth, insight and self-awareness is in this article, and yet ultimately how vain the entire line of thinking is. The reality is, people who do great things (however you define great!), tend to achieve them through relentless focus within their field of expertise. When we start focusing on optics then we just become politicians.
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